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Kharylien
Masked Rider Project
#61 - 2011-10-27 01:57:41 UTC
Mal Nina wrote:
Of course economic warfare where you do not control a vast number of the resources is doomed to failure. I have no doubt that even now large number of ice miners are having a field day in nullsec outside of goon space. If goons use military warfare to attempt to control these belts then they have a chance of winning, if not this was just an exercise in messing with hisec ice miners.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Goonswarm pretty much control all of the oxytopes nullsec?

Interdicting that is pretty easy.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2011-10-27 18:31:37 UTC
Kharylien wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Goonswarm pretty much control all of the oxytopes nullsec?

Not even close

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Tank Huffington
Pod Is My Copilot
#63 - 2011-10-27 19:36:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tank Huffington
LOL. So the goonies propaganda wing has a clamp down on the forums. "Your lazors are puny little pubbies!" I bet they would argue that Batman could beat Superman if he had a suit of armor made out of kryptonite. And you can bet that they will reply to this post with a similar braggart statement. They will tell you some line like: "Go ahead and try it noob, my uber skilz will beat you to pulp." So what? It's your game too. Enjoy screwing with them.
It doesn't matter what you do to resist these goonies but you have to do it. Do anything you can think of because the only way to fail 100% of the time is to not even try.

Here is my resistance tip of the day:

When you do get some Blue Ice, which I know that you will, be sure to contract some of it to the Goonswarm Federation alliance or TEST Alliance Please Ignore. In the description field be sure to put "Blue Ice Bounty Claim" or something not as nice if you feel so inclined. Make sure to triple the Jita buyout price in your "You will receive" field. Let them see that their pathetic attempt to scare off all of the Blue Ice miners is failing. Resistance is Vital.
Tank Huffington
Pod Is My Copilot
#64 - 2011-10-27 20:36:36 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
LeeMinKi wrote:
With that many concord in the belts, it will take nothing less than an alpha strike from a minmatar battleship to pop the macks.

So the exhumer still dies, the goon gets reimbursed for his dead BS and the miner is out not just his ship but the amount of time it took him to mess around baiting concord that didn't save him in the end. Sounds like a brilliant plan!


Good for you Laddie Harlot, you are spewing the standard goonie propaganda. We're all really proud of you here. I'm sure that your null sec masters will give you an extra rock to rub.

So what if your Exhumer dies, we're Ice Miners after all. We're rich don't you know. LOL. Make the goonies work for this. Much as they want you to believe, they aren't everywhere and they can't pop everyone. Their little bounty system is proof of that. They have to hire Douc**bags to do their dirty work. Although I've heard that they're getting desperate. They're podding people now too. LOL. Srsly goonies, just un-blue some of the other alliances in null-sec and try a real challenge again. Like popping paper thin ships is SOOOOOO hard and you're soooooo brave for doing it. LOL.
rootimus maximus
Perkone
Caldari State
#65 - 2011-10-27 20:38:52 UTC
Belrend Coregaul wrote:
You're a disgrace to CCP. The fact you're part of the CSM is a joke and you should be deleted and removed from the game.


Given that he's not a CCP employee, how his he a disgrace to them? What does him being part of the CSM have to do with anything? The goons are doing stuff that falls within the rules and you're crying instead of doing something about it.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#66 - 2011-10-28 02:36:01 UTC
Well, our main supplier of oxytopes has resumed full high sec production and we're selling off our surplus for a tidy profit. Thanks, Goons!

For the curious, our ice supplier recruited a few small corps, which happened to live in the affected high sec systems, to act as scouts and provide 23/7 intel on ice belt activity. When the scouts report all clear, they warp in a series of disposable T1 mining barges, mine for a single cycle, then warp the ice immediately back to station. Just like noob mining. They warp back to the ice belt, to a different BM each time, and repeat. The ships are spread out, to avoid smart bomb attacks, and they fly into the belt at different, staggered, times. This is all designed to minimize the exposure time of each mining ship, and make it impossible to coordinate a gank against the whole mining fleet.

If the scouts report a spike in local, or see a known ganker lurking around, everyone scatters. Some jump back to station and log off. Others like to screw around with the gankers by jumping to an asteroid belt, pretending to be ore miners. After the threat is gone, they resume ice mining.

The miners also have alts and ships in the different ice systems, so if the threat is persistent in one system, they just switch to another system, which the scouts have reported as being clear.

According to our supplier, the method works and ship loss is minimal - some miners are even considering switching back to Hulks (but, not Macks, since they are too obvious). And, although it is less efficient, it is actually more profitable due to the rise in ice product prices.
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#67 - 2011-10-28 04:39:01 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:


According to our supplier, the method works and ship loss is minimal - some miners are even considering switching back to Hulks (but, not Macks, since they are too obvious). And, although it is less efficient, it is actually more profitable due to the rise in ice product prices.


Who else agrees? Sounds like a lot of time spent warping, and heavier workload for multiboxers.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#68 - 2011-10-28 07:14:07 UTC
Tasko Pal wrote:
Who else agrees? Sounds like a lot of time spent warping, and heavier workload for multiboxers.

lol - you'll get no argument from me!

But, since I've read that most ice is supposedly mined by bots on alt accounts, anyways, it might just be a matter of writing a new bot and creating a few more alts.

Personally, I've never understood the attraction of mining - AFK, bot, or otherwise. I guess that's why I'm not an ice miner.

On the flip side, spending weeks, waiting around ice belts 23/7 for miners to gank, doesn't really appeal to me, either. I guess that's why I'm also not a ganker.

But, maybe those gank alts are bots, too? Perhaps, even written by certain Goon folks? lol...
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2011-10-28 08:04:30 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:
When the scouts report all clear, they warp in a series of disposable T1 mining barges, mine for a single cycle, then warp the ice immediately back to station. Just like noob mining. They warp back to the ice belt, to a different BM each time, and repeat. The ships are spread out, to avoid smart bomb attacks, and they fly into the belt at different, staggered, times. This is all designed to minimize the exposure time of each mining ship, and make it impossible to coordinate a gank against the whole mining fleet.

If people are going to this much effort for what amounts to crumbs I'm going to declare that we won Eve. Again.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ima FatBastard
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2011-10-28 08:15:32 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:
Well, our main supplier of oxytopes has resumed full high sec production and we're selling off our surplus for a tidy profit. Thanks, Goons!

For the curious, our ice supplier recruited a few small corps, which happened to live in the affected high sec systems, to act as scouts and provide 23/7 intel on ice belt activity. When the scouts report all clear, they warp in a series of disposable T1 mining barges, mine for a single cycle, then warp the ice immediately back to station. Just like noob mining. They warp back to the ice belt, to a different BM each time, and repeat. The ships are spread out, to avoid smart bomb attacks, and they fly into the belt at different, staggered, times. This is all designed to minimize the exposure time of each mining ship, and make it impossible to coordinate a gank against the whole mining fleet.

If the scouts report a spike in local, or see a known ganker lurking around, everyone scatters. Some jump back to station and log off. Others like to screw around with the gankers by jumping to an asteroid belt, pretending to be ore miners. After the threat is gone, they resume ice mining.

The miners also have alts and ships in the different ice systems, so if the threat is persistent in one system, they just switch to another system, which the scouts have reported as being clear.

According to our supplier, the method works and ship loss is minimal - some miners are even considering switching back to Hulks (but, not Macks, since they are too obvious). And, although it is less efficient, it is actually more profitable due to the rise in ice product prices.

This has to be a troll. Why would go through all of that for such a tiny yield of ice? That's almost as bad as the guy I saw the other night who was running four accounts trying to mine. He had a Hulk with a decent tank but only one ice harvester. He also had a scimitar giving shield reps, a dominix giving armor reps and an orca giving bonuses to everything. He was running four accounts to run one single ice harvester (at least he was before he got blown up). It was amazing.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#71 - 2011-10-28 09:29:20 UTC
Ima FatBastard wrote:

This has to be a troll. Why would go through all of that for such a tiny yield of ice? That's almost as bad as the guy I saw the other night who was running four accounts trying to mine. He had a Hulk with a decent tank but only one ice harvester. He also had a scimitar giving shield reps, a dominix giving armor reps and an orca giving bonuses to everything. He was running four accounts to run one single ice harvester (at least he was before he got blown up). It was amazing.

Not a troll, and I think that your experience (lol) pretty much proves the point. Miners are a pretty odd bunch.

BTW - Did just the Hulk get blown up, or all four ships?
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2011-10-29 13:47:49 UTC
RDevz wrote:
Your other option is "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em". For a limited time only, we're offering empire ice miners the opportunity to join GoonWaffe, and to mine in relative safety in the ice belts of Cloud Ring.

All it takes is a quick background check, to make sure you're not a PL/Ev0ke/random-hostile-of-the-month alt, a 500m security deposit (returned after a month) to make sure you're not going to start Awoxing immediately, and you're all set.

Give me a shout in-game, and we can get you started back on the path to low-risk mining again.


haha i see what ya did there.... 500mil security deposit lol

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