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In support of Odenjorn

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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#1 - 2013-03-02 14:22:15 UTC
A couple of weeks ago news surfaced of a talented Brutor student within the Federation alleging discrimination against the famous Gallente educational institution, the Center of Advanced Studies. It is a matter that gives me cause for concern. Ms. Odenjorn's plight has brought to our attention what appears to be an approach of cultural insensitivity on the part of the CAS.

The CAS it appears has an established body for handling 'Minority Affairs' of its Minmatar population, but has proceeded to staff that body with representatives of a single tribe. I do not claim to know the process that led to this situation, but it is certainly not ideal! We Minmatar are a diverse people with cultural needs that cannot be appropriately addressed by such an culturally-unrepresentative body.

The case of Odenjorn vs. Center of Advanced Studies is therefore a matter of considerable importance to our cousins living within the Federation. The Jotunn Risi applauds the initiative of the twenty-three senators representing their Minmatar constituents interests in this matter. It brings me unaccustomed pleasure to see their democratic process being utilized to represent the voters.

Further to that, we would urge the Krusual Tribe's Iskonalni Fedet branch to release the information they have to date. The Jotunn Risi is willing to enter talks to either fund a broadcast to release this information, or to purchase the reporters notes directly.

And finally, we wish to support our Tribal sister's efforts in this landmark legal campaign. I would imagine that as a student her means may be limited, and so I shall be depositing funds into a Jotunn Risi account that Ms. Odenjorn may draw upon to support her legal costs if needed.

May light be shed upon these allegations and justice be served.

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The Jotunn Risi are now recruiting, Brutor ancestry required in order to best represent the Brutor interest.  Join channel JORIS to learn more!

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-03-02 16:23:26 UTC
If Jotunn Risi requires it, Mixed Metaphor can act as a liason with the Centre for Advanced Studies. Our corporation contains many CAS almuni, including myself.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#3 - 2013-03-02 16:59:54 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
If Jotunn Risi requires it, Mixed Metaphor can act as a liason with the Centre for Advanced Studies. Our corporation contains many CAS almuni, including myself.


That may prove useful, my personal knowledge of the CAS, and to be honest of the Federal legal system, is limited at best.

http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/

The Jotunn Risi are now recruiting, Brutor ancestry required in order to best represent the Brutor interest.  Join channel JORIS to learn more!

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-03-02 17:06:35 UTC
Ugleb wrote:
That may prove useful, my personal knowledge of the CAS, and to be honest of the Federal legal system, is limited at best.

I consider you an old friend of mine, Ugleb. I'll be happy to help out in any way that I can.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#5 - 2013-03-02 18:43:07 UTC
I doubt you meant to further my argument circa last summer, but I thank you nonetheless: "Her suit alleges that CAS's Minority Affairs officers, all Sebiestor, exclusively favor Sebiestor applicants for Minmatar-reserved technical scholarship offerings, internship programs and undergraduate research."

Far be it from me to say I told you so (I would never), but I did point this aspect of Sebiestor "culture" out. Naturally there was a great deal of denial at the time, but it appears that the more established legal system of my recently-adopted motherland (have I captured the depesh-mud of Gallois styling adequately?) has finally begun to reveal the contours of that tribe's millennium-old plot. We Amarr understand these things. The Sebiestor have been taking the good jobs for thousands of years, lining their own pockets while scheming to make all the other tribes dependent upon them.

In their simple way, the Thukker understood as much as well - and left.

The rest of you can recover what has been stolen by selling the conniving bastards back to the Empire. If logistics are problematic, I believe the Cartel might be of assistance. Cartel?
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#6 - 2013-03-02 21:08:39 UTC
So, as I understand it, the Federation defines race in general as referring to planet of origin, which I believe is to promote cultural unity. Instead of Garouner, Morthanese, or Lyacean, you have ethnic Gallentean. It works for that context.

The issue here is that Minmatar according to the Federation accounts for all seven tribal ethnicities in one term, correct? In the case of CAS, the fact that the Minmatar seats are all held by Sebiestor is a non-issue technically speaking, as it's all Minmatar,(which is correct according to the current system). But Odenjorn here is Brutor. Not only that, but the seven constituent races of the Minmatar remain socially and politically significant in the contemporary era, unlike the ethnicities of Gallente Prime.

I can see the problem. I'm not sure if I have an opinion on it, nor am I sure if it's in my station.
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#7 - 2013-03-02 21:23:01 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
I doubt you meant to further my argument circa last summer, but I thank you nonetheless: "Her suit alleges that CAS's Minority Affairs officers, all Sebiestor, exclusively favor Sebiestor applicants for Minmatar-reserved technical scholarship offerings, internship programs and undergraduate research."

Far be it from me to say I told you so (I would never), but I did point this aspect of Sebiestor "culture" out. Naturally there was a great deal of denial at the time, but it appears that the more established legal system of my recently-adopted motherland (have I captured the depesh-mud of Gallois styling adequately?) has finally begun to reveal the contours of that tribe's millennium-old plot. We Amarr understand these things. The Sebiestor have been taking the good jobs for thousands of years, lining their own pockets while scheming to make all the other tribes dependent upon them.

In their simple way, the Thukker understood as much as well - and left.

The rest of you can recover what has been stolen by selling the conniving bastards back to the Empire. If logistics are problematic, I believe the Cartel might be of assistance. Cartel?


Wait what? Who told her about the millennium old plot?
Darius Shakor
Second Shakor Clan
#8 - 2013-03-02 22:00:32 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:

In their simple way, the Thukker understood as much as well - and left.


I am sure the impending violent subjugation of the entire Minmatar people at the hands of the Amarr had little to do with it... right?

If anything can be taken away from this it is that outsiders don't understand a fraction of what they think they do about Minmatar culture. Or their reasons for doing what they do.

The Shakor Clan, Brutors all, support Ms. Odenjorn.

Darius Shakor - Kacha

Vandeamon Writing Project - EVE Works

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#9 - 2013-03-02 22:43:57 UTC
Shut the hell up, Noh. You have no idea what you're talking about. There has never been and there is not now any secret plan by the Sebiestor to subjugate the other Tribes.

As for your revisionist history the truth is that the Thukker left for the Wildlands because your forefathers invaded our space; they were fleeing your people, not mine.

Stop talking out of your backside and stop looking at us through your rheumy, lascivious slaver's eyes.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#10 - 2013-03-02 22:50:25 UTC
Oh, Annie, you're interesting when I'm around. Really, you should be grateful. Then again, the artist who waits for the canvas to say thank you for some color... waits a long time. However, if in addition to personality, you need some help with a makeover, you just let me know, sweet pea.

If there's one thing a girl can't stand, it's seeing another girl not looking her best.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#11 - 2013-03-04 08:48:03 UTC
So two different tribals from two different tribes move to a new land where there's no Amarrians around to dump all their hate on. What happens next? Oh oh let me take a guess!

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-03-04 17:05:58 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
So two different tribals from two different tribes move to a new land where there's no Amarrians around to dump all their hate on. What happens next? Oh oh let me take a guess!

Shut up, Luftschreck.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#13 - 2013-03-04 17:45:18 UTC
So this brainwashed race traitor shows up in the IGS with a heart filled with hate, bias and envy and let me guess what happens next... Roll

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-03-04 17:47:50 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
So this brainwashed race traitor shows up in the IGS with a heart filled with hate, bias and envy and let me guess what happens next... Roll

Is it a bar? Does she walk into a bar?

Oh, oh, I think I know this one!

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#15 - 2013-03-04 17:57:46 UTC
****.

They know? THEY KNOW!!

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-03-04 23:59:07 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
So two different tribals from two different tribes move to a new land where there's no Amarrians around to dump all their hate on. What happens next? Oh oh let me take a guess!


You do no service to yourself, the Empire or anything related to the Amarr by your persistent, repetitive, petulant and (quite frankly) witless interjections into every conversation. If you cannot conduct yourself with some measure of decency and respect, do us all a service and say nothing.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#17 - 2013-03-05 11:08:08 UTC
Sylux Raynes wrote:
You do no service to yourself, the Empire or anything related to the Amarr by your persistent, repetitive, petulant and (quite frankly) witless interjections into every conversation. If you cannot conduct yourself with some measure of decency and respect, do us all a service and say nothing.


Witless? Interesting choice of word. Tell me, captain, how long were you forced to serve in the Republic military? Did you go through their training programs? Did they try to "deprogram" away your Faith and replace it with a sense of genetic superiority to the rest of humanity based on the primitive notion of your "bloodline?" Tell you that it was your grand destiny to ride the galaxy of all the "impure filth?" Should I sing you the boot camp songs about "the joy of sinking our blades into Amarrian flesh" sometime?

No? Really? Witless indeed, then. If you have anything further to add please write it down and leave it at the Jarizza memorial where over half my family is buried and I'll be sure to read it the next time I'm there to pay my respects.


Anabella Rella wrote:
So this brainwashed race traitor shows up in the IGS with a heart filled with hate, bias and envy and let me guess what happens next...


She introduces herself as Anabella Rella?

Brainwashed? No, but the Republic Military certainly tried, I'll give them that. God was stronger in the end. Imagine that?

Hate? I prefer mockery & contempt. Hate is for savages.

Bias? No argument there. And have you met Mr.Kettle, yet?

But envy? HA! Now that is funny. My ships are plated with gold. It doesn't rust.


And I love that phrase "race traitor" ... no, really, I do. When I try to explain to people how the ultimate end game plan for the Republic is the extermination of all non-matari people in New Eden no one ever wants to believe me. Surely they're not really like that, are they? Then you come along and use phrases like "race traitor" every five minutes ... it's like proof on a platter! Should I thank you for it? I think I shall. Thanks, Anabella, people like you practically do my job for me.


Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Shut up, Luftschreck.


Really? But I had come to expect so much more from your narcissistic god-complex by now ... and that's the best you came up with? Now I'm disappointed. Come on, Andreus, tell everyone how you're so much smarter than all of them. You know you want to.

The funny thing is, though, you think they're your allies when in fact you're just the last ones on their list of people to exterminate. And you'll keep right on believing it up until the point where they throw you into the incinerators with everyone else.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-03-05 12:10:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Sylux Raynes
Katran Luftschreck wrote:


Witless? Interesting choice of word. Tell me, captain, how long were you forced to serve in the Republic military? Did you go through their training programs? Did they try to "deprogram" away your Faith and replace it with a sense of genetic superiority to the rest of humanity based on the primitive notion of your "bloodline?" Tell you that it was your grand destiny to ride the galaxy of all the "impure filth?" Should I sing you the boot camp songs about "the joy of sinking our blades into Amarrian flesh" sometime?


Yes. Witless. Since you fail to understand why, I will attempt (though I'm not entirely sure why) to educate you.

Allow me to take your statements from above:

"Tell me, captain, how long were you forced to serve in the Amarr Military? Did you go through their training programs? Did they try to "deprogram" away your culture and replace it with a sense of submission to their God and genetic inferiority to the rest of humanity based on the primitive notion of your "bloodline?" Tell you that it was your grand destiny to rid the galaxy of all the 'impure filth?'"

You'll notice I've changed out a few words for you. You'll also notice that this argument is equally valid and often recited (perhaps not rote) by the Minmatar Freedom Fighters in their constant battle with the Empire. Lastly, you'll notice that nothing said in the above statements is verifiable to anyone except the individual that endured them.

You respond with hatred, malice and indignity to the Minmatar on IGS, using the same method of attacking them based on your personal experiences yet criticize them for doing the same.

It's not only witless, it's hypocritical.

If you truly wish for your words to have weight and meaning, then you must respond in a way that emphasizes that.

Bitterness is the poison one individual drinks expecting the other to die. Please consider this wisely.

Katran Luftschreck wrote:
No? Really? Witless indeed, then. If you have anything further to add please write it down and leave it at the Jarizza memorial where over half my family is buried and I'll be sure to read it the next time I'm there to pay my respects.


Sarcasm. I sympathize with the loss of your family but reiterate my above points.

Walk with wisdom.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#19 - 2013-03-05 13:07:21 UTC
Do we really need a 75310th discussion on Amarr-Minmatar relations again? The Odenjorn case is to do with bureaucratic definitions of the racial term 'Minmatar' in the Federation. So take it elsewhere.
Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-03-05 15:11:27 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Do we really need a 75310th discussion on Amarr-Minmatar relations again? The Odenjorn case is to do with bureaucratic definitions of the racial term 'Minmatar' in the Federation. So take it elsewhere.


You are correct, forgive my off-topic interjections.

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