Crime & Punishment

Hi, first let me apologize if this is in the wrong section. I couldn't find a post about this so i decided to make a new one.
A few days ago i decided to start a new Mining and industrial corp called Khopa conglomerate,I'm no pvper never have been and most likely never will be. I simply play eve to be a industrialist and trader and enjoy the games less demanding features such as mining and trade,Now while everything was going great me and my friend where starting to recruit some like minded players to our corp to help it expand and have fun, things where going well until we ended up with a few bad apples in our corp known as corp Grievers.basically what happened was a player posing as a friendly miner/trader joined out corp and was working with us for about a day then he decided to get into a combat ship and blow the crap out of half my corps miners.

In the end he ended up costing us a pretty ISK, and that was not the end of it once we all docked at our HQ he decided to camp outside and demand ISK which we didn't give to him. we couldn't kick him either because he is in space WTF ?CCP FIX THIS ASAP, now once we did manage to boot him i spent the rest of the day reassuring my corp mates this would never happen again and we picked our self's up and carried on going about our day to day mining and such.( i realize i should have taking more care when recruiting) Not long after we recovered from this cowardly act i decided to do a massive background check into every single member of the corp (api checks ect) during which we then get another idiot who repeats and absolutely destroys almost all of our miners again , however this time most of my players leave the corp and now the corp is destroyed , the attacker mails me and says good luck recruiting because me and my friends are going to continue to burn your corp to the ground.

During the above mentioned incident my friend gets into a heated argument with this coward(on corp chat) and insults and idle threats are exchanged, my friend looses his temper admittedly he was a little out of order but he just lost a hulk and couldn't afford a new one.( so i completely understood why). following this argument my friend got an insta ban due to a stupid idle RL threat he made in the heat of the moment,

The reason for this post is to discuss and let others be wary of this type of behavior and also to see if it will ever be considered by CCP as greifing? Like i said i now feel this game has relay been ruined for me as i feel I'm being forced into pvp and most likely will never join nor create a corp again.

PS: if this is in wrong section feel free to delete or move thanks.

Yeh, i was working on getting some pvp pilots. My corp was only a few days old, the very least CCP should do to help with these attacks is make it possible to kick corp members instantly no matter where there ship is.

Dear Op. This sounds like business as usual in EVE. NEVER TRUST ANYONE. Keep a weather eye on people in your corp. Just because they check out doesn't mean they are not an alt, or won't form a resentment and do the things you had done to you . There are a lot of people who enjoy the griefing aspects of this game. It's their game too. They have as much right to grief you as you do to be a pure miner. I am a miner, but hardly pure. I can pvp if I have to. I do not fly what I cannot afford to lose. Hulks are really just big targets. Fly a well tanked skiff - holds less, but you have a better chance of escaping a gank than a hulk. Just my opinion.
Edit: Oh and do not cry tears here, the gankers live for them, and will most likely mark you down for more fun so they can get more tears.

I believe there are a few lessons to be learned here. And you've learned a couple already (corp background checks).

EVE is Different: It's a sandbox, open-ended game, with meta-gaming part of the deal when you sign up. What is considered griefing in WoW or SWTOR or any other game is generally not considered griefing here. (Caveat: there are times when if someone or a group consistently and persistently targets a single player for harassment and continuously ruins their game on purpose, this can be called out to CCP. But that's rare). If someone ruined your day, it's up to you to remedy the problem for future encounters. Corp griefer got into your corp? Tighten up your recruitment standards. For instance, some corps accept only friends they know in real life and live within a 10 mile radius of the CEO. No one gets in unless they can talk to them face to face, and they know where each other lives.

Adjust Your Style: You must be adaptable for EVE. Don't expect others to change to suit your game play standards. Adjust to meet the game's.

Read Up: This is a thinking man's game. Before I joined this game, I was told to read up on it extensively, so I knew what I was getting into, as it was different from any MMO I played previously. I'm glad I did. I read up on things like safe-spots, corporation theft, basically, safety concerns in the game. I read up on this forum regularly, and keep up to date on the newest tactics used by people who want to ruin my game. Yes, they post the stuff so you can read all about their tactics. It's no one's fault but your own if you get caught.

If you do these things, you can greatly reduce the chances someone has in ruining your day. But, in the end, is it really ruining your day if your ship gets blown up? Have a laugh, say a GF in local and move on after learning your lesson.

Dont fly something you can't afford to lose. Don't start a corp and then have an open invite policy with no background checks.

EDIT: In the end, you want to be the kind of corp people say stuff about such as: "They're really great guys to play around with. Had a great attitude about everything. Will play again." Instead of: "HAHA! TEARS GALORE!!!!! LOLZ!!!" Or: "Creepy real life threats. Reported!"

TL;DR: Adapt. Have passion!

Hi, welcome to EVE. What you have described is known as "emergent Gameplay", and CCP loves it.

I'll reiterate what everyone else said, and mention this...just because you can doesn't mean you should. This includes forming a corporation. You should do some long, hard thinking on your goals, purpose, security, all that before training that magic skill and coughing up the ISK.

We are out there. We like taking your stuff away. Be it an awox, a gank, corptheft, or basic ransom, it's what WE do for fun. You aren't going to stop an awox, but you can minimize the damage.

Keep sensitive info out of corpchat, and in a locked down, trusted channel.
Don't hand out roles unless you can punch them in the face RL. This includes those vanity titles ya'll fond of.
Keep the shiny toys put away after you recruit. Run some ops with the new dude, get a feel for em.
A good corp fund to replace awox losses goes a long way towards keeping folks.
Fight back. Even if it's basic T1 frigs, go do some pewpew. The Bad Guys tend to respect that.
No tears, no threats, keep it civil and in the sandbox. RL threats, even "idle" are a huge no-no.
A "GF" in local is worth more than a million ISK.
Ask for a full API. Refusal to give, OR an instant handover of one, is a huge red flag.

That's enough for now. Pick yourself up, dust each other off, and have fun. Worst case scenario, drop to NPC corps, and keep a channel open to chat on till the threat passes.

You really gotta explain to your friend the difference here. Sure, he was upset for actions that happened in-game, but he's expected to retaliate in-game. There's plenty of CCP-couldn't-give-a-**** smacktalk options in-game, as well as a plethora of tools of vengeance, so resorting to rl threats is kind of trashy...

EDIT: and FYI I could believe the lack of rainbows and insect people ruins the game for me, but that doesn't mean anything if I'm just some random lunatic. They aren't trying to make the perfectly accessible game, they're trying to make the perfectly niche game, and if you don't fit in you gotta make sure it's not just your own problem instead of assuming it's CCP's. (in this case it's your problem, what you experienced is a beloved eve tradition)

This thread is sorely lacking in chatlogs and killboard links.

Use your imagination!

There's levels and limits.

When someone threatened to report me to the FBI for cyberterrorism because we found his alt corporation and dec'd it, we all laughed.

When a WT CEO threatened to **** my CEO's 15-month-old daughter, we took it seriously because they had originally been friends, and the WT was mentally unstable enough that we took it seriously. He knew where my CEO lived, after all.

You can insult me all you want. I don't care. But when you insult my significant other or children or whatever because you take this game way too seriously and do not like being outplayed by me, then we'll play games. I have no problems griefing bads.

OP: You need to understand that like it or not, you're a PvPer. You may not be good at it, but with the interaction that occurs in this game, the fat you can lose your ship anywhere when you undock is PvP. Sucks, doesn't it?

There have actually been several incidents like that in Korea. It makes it easier that a lot of them play in net cafes and are in the same room IRL.

I know of a guy who had someone dig up real phone numbers and harass his real life friends and relatives, many of whom didn't even know what Eve is.