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Miss Spent Youth
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-03-02 02:30:41 UTC
spoils.

So, reading many posts and researching topics on this forum indicated to me that in order to reap large rewards in this game one needs to take large risks.

It was with some trepidation that I pressed that button "yes I want to jump into lowsec" But I did it, heart pounding, blood sounding loud in my ears. My hauler appeared on the other side of the gate with a hold full of command centres. I actually felt a little faint when I saw my controls indicated that there were no pilots within shooting range. I, with shaking hands, aligned to my trusty ship to safe spot I had scouted out earlier in the day. What was only seconds felt like time was dilating but eventually the reassuring roar of my warp engine kicked me in the ass and hurled me through space. I arrive at my safe spot and was able to cloak my ship. "phew, first gate done!" I was now able to scan the next gate for anyone that might take a fancy to my new ship. 448.000 ISK and the command centres were at risk, but the lure of those two planets I had scanned in a 0.2 system kept me focussed. I was gonna make millions if only I could get to them and start my colony.
The scan of the gate was good, all clear. Coming out of warp on top on top of the gate started my pulse racing again. The gate activated and I held my breath. "YES! This is actually going to work." All clear only one person showing on the local comms. channel in the system and my hasty, hand shaking, database searching showed him to be of good standing with concord. I quickly warped to my safe spot so I could deploy my command centres.
The deployment could not have gone better. I was now the proud owner of two planetary stations and was extracting raw materials. I planed on making different P2 materials as my research showed that that was the sweet spot for profit with my current skill.
Four days have passed and I now have 2000m3 of P2 materials to get out of low sec to sell them. I found a spike in the price on both items I made. But there is a problem, I have to get it to the station. "To the brave go the spoils" This would be simply a reverse of how I got it set up.
After an hour of nervous energy I have the mats safely in the station that I need to sell at. I made 12 million ISK gross profit. Damn those export taxes! But I am deliriously happy. I took the advice I got from seasoned veterans and it paid off. I had tried this planetary stuff in high security space and only made a quarter of what I have now made in the same time in 0.2.
Maybe next time I will not be so lucky, but I am going to have a lot of fun finding out.


Take a chance fellow newbies, it is exhilarating
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-03-02 03:12:57 UTC
Hey, stop bogarting the bong Evil

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Liam Inkuras
Furnace
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#3 - 2013-03-02 03:28:40 UTC
Great read Big smile love seeing the newer folks find a motivation to explore lowsec. Keep it up!

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2013-03-02 03:57:56 UTC
When I started out, I got tired of crowded asteroid belts and went out looking for a better system.

I found a great system. With lots of big asteroids to mine.

I thought it was neat that there were always battles on the gates, but I really didn't paid them any heed, and went about my business.

It wasn't until later that a friend told me I really shouldn't be mining in a 0.4 border system.

Up until that time, I didn't really think it was dangerous.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-03-02 06:46:38 UTC
Be more careful with those bio checks. Some pirates are religious about keeping a good sec status so that noobs don't see the danger before its too late. Do a quick kill board search of tje pilots' names to find out what their prefered hunting grounds are. If you are in a system where they've logged a lot of kills itmight be smart to keep an astute eye on the d scan
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-03-02 08:10:01 UTC
Still have the feeling that this is an alt char of a veteran player.

But still a good read and gives new players an insight that low-sec is NOT as bad as their coward NPC School corp dwellers say.
And if it actually is a genuine new player....Welcome to EVE, younare going to make it far into EVE with that attitude.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Miss Spent Youth
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-03-02 11:52:46 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Still have the feeling that this is an alt char of a veteran player.

But still a good read and gives new players an insight that low-sec is NOT as bad as their coward NPC School corp dwellers say.
And if it actually is a genuine new player....Welcome to EVE, younare going to make it far into EVE with that attitude.


I already admitted I played eve years ago for a few months. But certainly not a veteran. I would offer to give you my API thingy but then you would know my main and put a bounty on me like you promised to so, that wont happen.Roll
So I will take your backhanded compliment.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#8 - 2013-03-02 12:27:58 UTC
+1, good write-down of a positive first lowsec experience. If only the bears believed 95% of the time this is how lowsec truly feels, there might be a lot more low-level industry. I felt the same way sneaking my first BPOs into NPC nullsec for some ninja manufacturing + extortion markup. Lol
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-03-02 13:02:45 UTC
Miss Spent Youth wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Still have the feeling that this is an alt char of a veteran player.

But still a good read and gives new players an insight that low-sec is NOT as bad as their coward NPC School corp dwellers say.
And if it actually is a genuine new player....Welcome to EVE, younare going to make it far into EVE with that attitude.


I already admitted I played eve years ago for a few months. But certainly not a veteran. I would offer to give you my API thingy but then you would know my main and put a bounty on me like you promised to so, that wont happen.Roll
So I will take your backhanded compliment.


I dont trust any API. It only shows one account, if you have multiple it wont show. Anybody who justifies that an API check is a solid proof of something is a ******.

And the compliment is genuine, I really like the post and it is true and I like the attitude about jumping into low-sec as a new-ish player.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Miss Spent Youth
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-03-02 14:05:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Miss Spent Youth
J'Poll wrote:
Miss Spent Youth wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Still have the feeling that this is an alt char of a veteran player.

But still a good read and gives new players an insight that low-sec is NOT as bad as their coward NPC School corp dwellers say.
And if it actually is a genuine new player....Welcome to EVE, younare going to make it far into EVE with that attitude.


I already admitted I played eve years ago for a few months. But certainly not a veteran. I would offer to give you my API thingy but then you would know my main and put a bounty on me like you promised to so, that wont happen.Roll
So I will take your backhanded compliment.


I dont trust any API. It only shows one account, if you have multiple it wont show. Anybody who justifies that an API check is a solid proof of something is a ******.

And the compliment is genuine, I really like the post and it is true and I like the attitude about jumping into low-sec as a new-ish player.


Then I genuinely thank you.
You will have to take my word for it that I am a new player. I cannot prove otherwise. If your doubt is sown by the knowledge I show in the OP let me say this. I simply did as I was advised in the many places a newbie receives such wisdom. I wanted to specialise in exploration, planetary interaction and scanning/scouting. I did want to get into the low-sec areas because all the guides point out, you make better money there.
So I Googled and used the search feature to find the information I need to make the risks as minimal as possible. I simply did as you yourself tell people to do, research. I then thought, rather than say "get out of empire and discover" to tell a my story in a manner that made for a nice read. I hope I succeeded
I am learning that the "trust no one" attitude prevalent in this game is justified in many instances, but I fail to see what I gain by being duplicitous in describing my learning curve.
Maybe you are a born cynic?

*edit*I also wanted to brag and show off a little that I had made so much money from PI which for the most part is passive income.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-03-02 14:59:14 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Miss Spent Youth wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Miss Spent Youth wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Still have the feeling that this is an alt char of a veteran player.

But still a good read and gives new players an insight that low-sec is NOT as bad as their coward NPC School corp dwellers say.
And if it actually is a genuine new player....Welcome to EVE, younare going to make it far into EVE with that attitude.


I already admitted I played eve years ago for a few months. But certainly not a veteran. I would offer to give you my API thingy but then you would know my main and put a bounty on me like you promised to so, that wont happen.Roll
So I will take your backhanded compliment.


I dont trust any API. It only shows one account, if you have multiple it wont show. Anybody who justifies that an API check is a solid proof of something is a ******.

And the compliment is genuine, I really like the post and it is true and I like the attitude about jumping into low-sec as a new-ish player.


Then I genuinely thank you.
You will have to take my word for it that I am a new player. I cannot prove otherwise. If your doubt is sown by the knowledge I show in the OP let me say this. I simply did as I was advised in the many places a newbie receives such wisdom. I wanted to specialise in exploration, planetary interaction and scanning/scouting. I did want to get into the low-sec areas because all the guides point out, you make better money there.
So I Googled and used the search feature to find the information I need to make the risks as minimal as possible. I simply did as you yourself tell people to do, research. I then thought, rather than say "get out of empire and discover" to tell a my story in a manner that made for a nice read. I hope I succeeded
I am learning that the "trust no one" attitude prevalent in this game is justified in many instances, but I fail to see what I gain by being duplicitous in describing my learning curve.
Maybe you are a born cynic?

*edit*I also wanted to brag and show off a little that I had made so much money from PI which for the most part is passive income.


And I hope you succeeded too. EVE needs more people daring to go into the less hostile places and don't be affraid cause some scrub in their NPC Noob corp said that Low and Null equals instant death. It's not true and your story is actually a nice way of real experience over some hear-say information that has been circling the corp for ages.

Maybe for the next step, you might want to look into some NPC null-sec or Providence. Null is even better then low-sec with the benefit of not having to deal with sec. status hits when you do shoot someone and of course it pays out even better.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Zenito
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#12 - 2013-03-02 15:45:41 UTC
Excellent stuff OP! Smile
Good to see that you did your research before embarking on your business too.

Sooner or later, you will get your ship destroyed in low-sec, possibly with a haul of valuable cargo.
This will be the true test of your grit; you'll either become another nay-sayer who spends all their time in high-sec misinforming other new guys with tales of insta-death on arrival of a 0.4 system... or you'll analyse what happened, learn from it and become a more savvy low-sec industrialist Blink

Zenitoka Katanga

Clan Chieftain

"A fair bargain leaves both sides unhappy."

Miss Spent Youth
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-02 15:49:01 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Maybe for the next step, you might want to look into some NPC null-sec or Providence. Null is even better then low-sec with the benefit of not having to deal with sec. status hits when you do shoot someone and of course it pays out even better.


That is not my playstyle. I have no intention of shooting at anyone. Only run away and hide. I have no desire to flex my internets. I will be shot at, I have no doubt about that, and if I cannot escape then I will die. Simples :-)
Miss Spent Youth
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-03-02 15:52:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Miss Spent Youth
Zenito wrote:
Excellent stuff OP! Smile
Good to see that you did your research before embarking on your business too.

Sooner or later, you will get your ship destroyed in low-sec, possibly with a haul of valuable cargo.
This will be the true test of your grit; you'll either become another nay-sayer who spends all their time in high-sec misinforming other new guys with tales of insta-death on arrival of a 0.4 system... or you'll analyse what happened, learn from it and become a more savvy low-sec industrialist Blink


Yes, I was scared whitless when I was getting my stuff out, But I had factored in all the costs of losing everything. It would not have been the end of everything had I failed as other than a few clicks each time I logged to reset my colony, it was free ISK.
I have no doubt I will not get so lucky every time. Cool All I can do is make sure to play as smart as I can and minimise those risks.Bear

My next plan is to start exploration to find rare ores but at the moment I have geared my skills to exploration and industrial things, so combat skills are lacking. I think my next move should be a low sec corp. Keeping my options open at the moment though.
Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-03-02 20:14:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jensaro Koraka
Miss Spent Youth wrote:
spoils.

So, reading many posts and researching topics on this forum indicated to me that in order to reap large rewards in this game one needs to take large risks.

It was with some trepidation that I pressed that button "yes I want to jump into lowsec" But I did it, heart pounding, blood sounding loud in my ears. My hauler appeared on the other side of the gate with a hold full of command centres. I actually felt a little faint when I saw my controls indicated that there were no pilots within shooting range. I, with shaking hands, aligned to my trusty ship to safe spot I had scouted out earlier in the day. What was only seconds felt like time was dilating but eventually the reassuring roar of my warp engine kicked me in the ass and hurled me through space. I arrive at my safe spot and was able to cloak my ship. "phew, first gate done!" I was now able to scan the next gate for anyone that might take a fancy to my new ship. 448.000 ISK and the command centres were at risk, but the lure of those two planets I had scanned in a 0.2 system kept me focussed. I was gonna make millions if only I could get to them and start my colony.
The scan of the gate was good, all clear. Coming out of warp on top on top of the gate started my pulse racing again. The gate activated and I held my breath. "YES! This is actually going to work." All clear only one person showing on the local comms. channel in the system and my hasty, hand shaking, database searching showed him to be of good standing with concord. I quickly warped to my safe spot so I could deploy my command centres.
The deployment could not have gone better. I was now the proud owner of two planetary stations and was extracting raw materials. I planed on making different P2 materials as my research showed that that was the sweet spot for profit with my current skill.
Four days have passed and I now have 2000m3 of P2 materials to get out of low sec to sell them. I found a spike in the price on both items I made. But there is a problem, I have to get it to the station. "To the brave go the spoils" This would be simply a reverse of how I got it set up.
After an hour of nervous energy I have the mats safely in the station that I need to sell at. I made 12 million ISK gross profit. Damn those export taxes! But I am deliriously happy. I took the advice I got from seasoned veterans and it paid off. I had tried this planetary stuff in high security space and only made a quarter of what I have now made in the same time in 0.2.
Maybe next time I will not be so lucky, but I am going to have a lot of fun finding out.


Take a chance fellow newbies, it is exhilarating

Good work! An industrial ship costs a bit over a million and you just made 12 with it. Don't get discouraged if you lose one. Welcome to the real Eve. Hope you enjoy your stay.

Miss Spent Youth wrote:
My next plan is to start exploration to find rare ores but at the moment I have geared my skills to exploration and industrial things, so combat skills are lacking. I think my next move should be a low sec corp. Keeping my options open at the moment though.

I wouldn't mine in low sec. I think you should, so I can loot you, but I wouldn't do it if I was you. IMO you're better off finding a 0.0 corp if you want to mine. Null sec has better ore, isn't full of pirates and has various other safety advantages like intel channels. You'll probably need to be in an exhumer to be able to tank the rats there, but i'm no miner so someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

If you really must try to mine in low try to find a dead end system with nobody in local. Remember to make a few safe spots to warp to if anyone comes around. If you have to safe up keep spamming 360° max range scans and warp between different safe spots if you see combat probes on the scan.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken

Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#16 - 2013-03-02 20:28:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Chal0ner
Neat - gratz on your sucessful venture into low sec Big smile
Lot's of us has been there and I remember those first jumps to 0.4 systems similarly, it's been 4 years now, and the thril of going low secl has gone - but enjoy it while it lasts.

As for mining in low sec, i've done it - it's all a matter of finding the right systems. If it's worth the risk? Risk is what makes this game fun.
Adam Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-03-02 21:13:34 UTC
Remember to use the maps, be they ingame or DOTLAN(google it) to figure out how dangerous any given system is, using the stats like "pilots in space" and "ship/pod kills in the last x hours"
Miss Spent Youth
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-03-02 23:31:20 UTC
Adam Junior wrote:
Remember to use the maps, be they ingame or DOTLAN(google it) to figure out how dangerous any given system is, using the stats like "pilots in space" and "ship/pod kills in the last x hours"

I use the Dotlan ones I find the ingame one a bit, umm un-intuative. I found the Dotlan ones while researching for doing PI. The are brilliant and if you use the ingame browser set destination etc from the Dotlan map
Keno Skir
#19 - 2013-03-03 11:15:03 UTC
Nice attitude man. I did similar trading ANTIBIOTICS from lowsec NPC Spawns to hisec buyers when i was new.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#20 - 2013-03-03 23:28:42 UTC
Good job!

Just avoid getting complacent and falling into patterns.
If you see them in local, they also see you and might get curious and start investigating eventually.....

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