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A question about Aurum
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#1 - 2013-03-01 15:28:45 UTC
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but considering Aurum is a currency in EVE MD seemed a logical place.

I was just wondering if anyone knew if the Aurum used in DUST is the same Aurum we have in EVE. I would assume it is, due to future interaction having two different currencies with the same name would be a problem.

The reason I ask is the price in real money to buy Aurum. In EVE Aurum was initially 3500 Aurum for 1 PLEX basically a $20 value in real money. As far as I know this has not changed. But in DUST you can buy 20,000 Aurum for $10.

If this is the same Aurum why can you get 20,000 Aurum in DUST for $10 while the same amount of Aurum would cost us about $115 in EVE through purchasing PLEX.

I realize Aurum is of little use in EVE, but if it is to be a used currency in DUST as well, it may eventually be traded with EVE players, as the interaction between DUST and EVE is expanded.

either way, How can we have the same currency in DUST as we have in EVE with a 10-1 exchange rate difference when purchasing that currency.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#2 - 2013-03-01 16:54:52 UTC
It's not the same.

They multiplied the quantity by 10 during the closed beta, to give them more room to work in.

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#3 - 2013-03-01 17:03:28 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
It's not the same.

They multiplied the quantity by 10 during the closed beta, to give them more room to work in.

ok that makes sense. But I do not know why they do not just multiply it all by 10.

It would give them much more room for affordable clothing in EVE, everything previously sold for aurum will also get the x10 multiplier making it rare and keeping the new cost the same as the old. Yet we would no longer have to spend the isk equivalent of a BC ship to get a new shirt. It is just stupid the prices the NEX store had at release.

I assume most of the monocles we see are from characters buying PLEX with excess isk to convert, not actually players buying PLEX for real money with the purpose of converting it to Aurum.

And if the 10x is just for the beta, why would I spend $10 on a booster or Aurum pack if I am just going to lose it all when the beta ends.
Charles Javeroux
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT
#4 - 2013-03-02 08:01:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Charles Javeroux
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
...And if the 10x is just for the beta, why would I spend $10 on a booster or Aurum pack if I am just going to lose it all when the beta ends.

There's no reset after the end of beta. All boosters and every Aurum spent on advancing your game play during the beta will carry on after the beta ends. Also you could consider it as a long term investment Big smile
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-04-28 14:49:03 UTC
I would like this answered as well.

There are some folks who have been a fan of aurum currency on EVE. If the currency transfer between EVE and Dust is enabled, arn't those who hold Aurum in EVE Online severely deprived of their "net worth" considering the fact that we paid SIGNIFICANTLY MORE than the AUR from Dust?

Is there even a point in purchasing AURUM in EVE Online (disregarding the fact that there isn't much to purchase) when it costs 10 times less in Dust? Or are they going to change the rate to 10Dust AUR = 1 EVE AUR once the currency transfer is enabled?
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-04-28 16:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
CCP only mentioned ISK and eventually item transfers afaik. AUR transfers were not mentioned during any of the FF sessions I watched on stream.

(also are you going to do this same spiel every single time CCP choses to devalue some sort of collector's item? one would think that you would have learned some sort of lesson after the first dozen or so occurrences of that happening... Shocked)

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-04-28 16:35:57 UTC
CCP should make AURUM a planetary interaction product... get all those precious metals into something other than that useless stuff like enriched uranium and, eventually, robotics. P

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Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
#8 - 2013-04-28 19:05:30 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
CCP only mentioned ISK and eventually item transfers afaik. AUR transfers were not mentioned during any of the FF sessions I watched on stream.

(also are you going to do this same spiel every single time CCP choses to devalue some sort of collector's item? one would think that you would have learned some sort of lesson after the first dozen or so occurrences of that happening... Shocked)


Antiquarian did and with his persistence he eventually got CCP to fix things, collectors have a right to be treated as fairly as everyone else, I'm a big Anti fan look I got the coat.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#9 - 2013-04-29 11:18:37 UTC
Captain IQ wrote:
Antiquarian did and with his persistence he eventually got CCP to fix things, collectors have a right to be treated as fairly as everyone else, I'm a big Anti fan look I got the coat.


So titan pilots should have gotten to keep their AOE DD if their Titan was from before the nerf? Tech holders should get to keep selling their stockpiles at pre-tumbling down prices?

Collectors have the same right to have their speculative investments lose market value as everyone else.
If you're collecting because you simply enjoy collecting things, who cares if it becomes slightly less rare?
If you're collecting as an investment, why should you be exempt from the same chance of being caught long on a falling investment as anyone else?

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Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
#10 - 2013-04-29 12:32:10 UTC
Well that's a great point to make but to clarify it's very rare that a collectors item effects anyone's game play, they're mostly curios that are incidental with no strategic or tactical value and have no baring on the fates of thousands of players like being blattered continually by DD or constantly on CTA's to defend moons etc to use your examples.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-04-29 12:57:17 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Captain IQ wrote:
Antiquarian did and with his persistence he eventually got CCP to fix things, collectors have a right to be treated as fairly as everyone else, I'm a big Anti fan look I got the coat.


So titan pilots should have gotten to keep their AOE DD if their Titan was from before the nerf? Tech holders should get to keep selling their stockpiles at pre-tumbling down prices?

Collectors have the same right to have their speculative investments lose market value as everyone else.
If you're collecting because you simply enjoy collecting things, who cares if it becomes slightly less rare?
If you're collecting as an investment, why should you be exempt from the same chance of being caught long on a falling investment as anyone else?


We are not talking about speculating anything.

I am talking about the differences in the pricing of AURUM iin DUST 514 and EVE Online. It costs 10 times more to purchase a single AURUM in EVE Online relative to DUST (AUR 40,000 for $20 cash) vs. EVE (AUR 4,000 for $20 cash).

We are talking about 10x fold difference in pricing between two games for same currency that require actual cash payment.

I want to know if I am a fool to purchase AUR in EVE when it costs 10 times cheaper in DUST. Obviously, AURUM is not transferable between both games at the moment, but CCP did state that their intended/eventual/ultimate goal is the convergence of both economy.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#12 - 2013-04-30 20:54:49 UTC
Yes, my original post was after seeing the Aurum for sale in DUST514.

Even in EVE arum is not transferable, but the stuff you buy with it is.

If the markets are eventually merged then we could have items bought with DUST514 Aurum and items bought with EVE Arum at x10 the cost in real money on the same market. We already have all the DUSt equipment on the EVE market, we just can not buy it yet.

Even if the price is equalized before Dust514 leaves beta, what would stop DUST players from stocking up on AURUM at 1/10th the cost and saving it for after the price change?
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-05-01 04:03:11 UTC
Are the Aurums' worth in EVE Online going to hit rock bottom as the transfer of currencies between Dust 514 and EVE is allowed?

Current price of AURUM in EVE Online is AUR 4,000 for $20 in real cash and in Dust 514, AUR 40,000 for $20 in real cash.

Are those who spent $20 to acquire AUR 4,000 going to see their AUR asset devalued to 1/10th of the price once both economies converges?

Mr. CCP, please let us know what is going on.