Crime & Punishment

Which is nice in theory, but it's like CCP have forgotten about lowsec, again, and now have a hole in their sytem which i am trying to highlight.

They need to tweak the Limited Engagement part of this so that when attacked by outlaws, it doesnt create a limited enagagement to defend yourself.

Because what happens is, after 5 minutes of me and my fleet member fighting on the gate, the pirates will ALWAYS then call in backup, and every backup pilot that lands is free to engage us without sentry fire or flags because we have had to endure suspect flags ourselves just because we defended ourselves.

But that's the thing you're not attacking "War Targets" you're attacking Outlaws.

I can't disagree more, and don;t start saying **** like 'relying on RR to get kills'. I don't have guardians sitting on gates at zero, i'm glad thats gone.

The last case of this was me in a 3 man prophecy gang, with 1 med RR each, jumping into a gate camp consisting of: Astarte, Tengu, Maelstrom, Abaddon, Phobos, Cane, Cane and eventually 2 onieros. So we very much are "sucking it up" and making do.

Engagement timer is totally different, engagement timer is a good thing, and stops neutral RR working with complete immunity. You realise, it's possible to get an engagement timer without going suspect?

I'm not complaining about the engagement timer, i'm complaining about the totally pointless suspect timer that comes with it. The people we are fighting dont give two ***** if we get a suspect timer or not, they will shoot anyway, nobody is trying to jump out, nobody is interfering in another fight, everyone is well and truly part of the fight themselves.

The problem is that as more and more pile into the fight from the outlaw side, they eventually negate any sentry fire due to flags. Yet another boost for the already advantaged pirate side. Just like how they can send a flight of 30 ECM drones our way without having to worry about drone sentry aggro anymore.

PS - It has been petitioned

Cheers for the tip, the very fact you can do this to avoid the flag shows that the system is bugged.

What a waste of time having to assist drones before engaging!

This may be 'working as intended' from a CCP perspective, but defies logic play wise. If someone RR's someone in a limited engagement who isn't a suspect/criminal they should just be added into that limited engagement, not be taken to the 'suspect' level and shootable by anyone. The person I am repping isn't carrying a suspect flag, why am I inheriting one?

This implementation was obviously a programming shortcut to reduce the scope of limited engagements, but a bad idea in practice IMHO. Sure, make me blappable by the opponent of the person I am repping -- but not the whole world.

I serious find it broken. It cant be right that you cant roam AT all without you logi being suspects, unless they assign their drones to a target caller and wait for the drones to hit first.

This means you risk to lose your logi on every gate you pass, and your having a hard time passing empire if needed for 15 min.

I fully understand the flagging if you use neutral rep, but the logi should get same flag as the people they are reparing. So if people engage someone in low sec -10, they get a limited agression timer against same targets. If the repair people going suspect they should be suspect flag to, if they repair people who dont get a suspect flag, they should get a suspect falg.

If they do neutral RR against someone at WAR they should be suspect flag, as they interfear in a WAR not theirs.

I agree, If your attacking a Pirate there should be no Consequences cause well we're Pirates....

YARRRRRR!

summary of thread: bawwww I used my neutral RR alt to interfere but I can't do that without consequence now bawww

Stop calling it "your logi" as that seems to be confusing a couple of people. We're not talking about neutral RR alts interfering in fights between other corps. We are talking about fleet members, in the same corp, with spider-rep fit ships. 2 two corp members in combat ships, with a single rr, or perhaps rr drones, who cannot rep each other when fighting agaisnt outalws!

Summary of event for the mentally deficient:

Corp Mates
Combat Ships with RR
Fighting agaisnt Outlaws
Suspect Flag placed onto non-outlaw parties.

Nova, have you tried RRing AFTER your fleetmate engages the opponent?

Remember, the gate campers trigger suspect as soon as they engage you in low-sec. Triggering suspect allows anyone to fight back...now if you choose to attack back, you trigger a limited engagement. See what happens if you and your fleetmates trigger the engagement before remote repping one another.

I agree that as the defender, your RRing shouldn't trigger suspect IF all members are in the same fleet, on grid, and have limited engagements with the attacker.