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Hmm. Let's see, on one hand we have lots of people just hauling minerals (mined by people who are mostly safe to a station), in nigh-on full safety, 2 jumps out of jita, spend 2k isk to build a maelstrom, and fly it back the same 2 jumps, to sell it to someone who then load it into a JF and ships it to nullsec. On the other hand, we have people actually manufacturing in nullsec, still have to import various things like T2 stuff etc, but ends up sourcing minerals locally, thus making it more lucrative to mine in nullsec than it is in hisec, thus creating a nullsec which isn't dead outside of fleet fights, i.e. a place where roaming gangs can actually have a chance of catching more dumbasses who aren't watching local, creating a need for an actual unironic home defense fleet, etc etc etc.

Well, we can't have that happen, now can we? That's definitely more isolationist and bubbly than having literally all ships, modules, ammo etc made in hisec by people you don't know.

Malcanis, what's your take on a mining ship that mines more than a hulk but can't be operated in empire space? Or maybe just not in highsec. Say, a mining-oriented capital ship, or whatever it might need to be.

Due to changes in my gameplay and from being exposed to different communities, I've finally seen the light.

My 3 votes go to Malcanis, as the most reasonable of the pro null/low-sec candidates.

Malcanis, how do you see the future of low-sec?

Wouldn't this in turn buff Null Alliances?

How? Alliances which would move some (or all) their industry into nullsec would be more vulnerable to interference, as opposed to today's situation where it's ... not.

The end result will be that those alliances that actively and effectively protect their local production will see a "buff", with that being balanced by the overhead of providing that protection, which in turn will mean more small gang/solo targets for outsiders, and more small gang activity for the alliance in question. I am absolutely OK with making this trade-off.

It'll be a buff for alliances that don't have the capability to simply JF everything up from Empire, which currently is the most efficient model.

I don't propose to answer for malcanis, but I've made my position on the way industry is done in hisec quite clear over a myriad of posts, but I'll elucidate to make it crystal clear here as well:

No, it's not the only answer, but it is a part of the answer. The fact of the matter is, the only way you can make nullsec industry actually "properly worthwhile" in nullsec is to make adjustments to both nullsec and hisec. By all means make changes to nullsec first, and then adjustments to hisec, but as long as I can go to jita, buy all the minerals I can possibly need in a few minutes, haul that 2 jumps out of jita, find a shittonne of available manufacturing capacity essentially for free (again, 2k per maelstrom, that's for free), and then ship it to nullsec with barely any effort on my part at all, as opposed to all the effort which would have to be put in just to make this even remotely work in nullsec (yes, I have actually tried manufacturing in nullsec, and I had the luxury of constantly having access to free slots; have you?).

In addition, making very specific adjustments to how f.ex manufacturing slot costs, refinery and sales taxes etc work would solve (or provide tools to solve) a lot of additional issues such as how alliances today aren't as encouraged to build up a proper farms and fields initiative, because the only direct income which isn't easily circumventable is ... ratting. Encouraging alliances to switch their funding from a top down funding to a bottom up funding, through actual activity in their space would also let small gangs have something crunchy and lazy to run around and try to catch, as opposed to the 1-3 ratters who'll be more alert and more setup to dock/pos up the instant something non-blue appears in local. This in turn could foster resentments between alliances, and in turn this would lead to more fights over grudges done in retaliation etc, instead of more of the same old same old "hurr let's hit their moons/sov structures it'll be awesome guys guys guys? where are you guys?"

So no, it's not just a matter of "nerf hisec", it's a matter of "make the proper adjustments to even begin to be able to foster industry in nullsec", and trying to boil my position down to just "nerf hisec" is ludicrous.

To use a ship balancing analogy: when you're trying to balance Ship A with Ship B, it doesn't matter how much you buff Ship A's DPS if you leave Ship B with 100% resists.

As am I. In fact, I'd welcome it with open arms.