Science & Industry

You'd have to ask CCP, I wouldn't be surprised if it were a bug.

What you are seeing is the current amount of extraction which varies considerable over the allotted time selected.

That is why the graphic chart goes up and down. Check again in a few hours and you will see a different amount for that 'time slice'.

This is perfectly normal and it has been this way since day 1.

not empty quoting

This is not a bug, it is 100% correct, and working as it is supposed to.

What you are seeing is the effect of planetology skills.

When setting up your extractors the values you see are not the real values, but based on a survey that has a margin of error based on your planetology skills. Without plantology skills trained you can see a 50% or more difference n these values. The difference is not consistent though as it is a margin of error, your "survey" can land values anywhere from the correct value to a value that is out by over 50%.

When you train the planetology skills this "Margin of Error" on your survey is reduced. By training Planetology to 4 and advanced planetology to 4 you can reduce this "Margin of Error" from about 50% to about 5% by training both to 5 the "margin of error" is reduced to basically nothing.

What this means is without Planetology skills trained the number you see in your "Survey" can possibly be out by 50% or more. But by training the Planetology skills you can reduce that error to nothing.generally taking the skills both to 4 is enough that the error is to same to worry about.

It does not end here though. There is another "margin of Error" based on your distance to the planet. If you are in orbit around the planet you are "surveying" this error is nothing, but each jump from the planet this error gets bigger. If you are remotely managing you planets from another region this error can potentially be huge. This margin of error is reduced by training the remote sensing skill. But even with remote sensing trained to 5 if your planets are in a wormhole, and you are not, you will have issues with your survey scans.

If you want your survey data to accurately reflect the output you will get after installing the job you must train planetology and advanced planetology skill. And if you manage your planets from several jumps away, remote sensing to 4 is well worth the training time.

Thank you.

I was about to yell for Tau Cabalander!

I run about 32 planets and have done so pretty much since PI was put into the game.

- Yes once you submit the program, the data displayed will switch from your survey/estimate to the actual output. When running many planets though using this methode gets very tedious. If you just train the planetology and advanced planetology skills to 4, which does not take long, your survey will be very close to the actual output. The couple percent it may deviate won't hurt you.

- yes, the remote sensing skill seems to indicate that it only affects the range of your scans. I have never actually has a situation where I was out of range as even at level 1 you get 1 lightyears range which is a fair bit. But I have found that training it to 4 does affect the survey accuracy when scanning from several jumps away, or even another region. One of my characters that had planetolgy and advanced planetology trained still had significant error when scanning from another region even though it was only 4 jumps away. training remote sensing corrected this error.

-Yes once submitted you are seeing the actual rate you will receive. Although It has been debated that multiple players using the same planet, or players adding facilities to the planet after yours are setup, while your cycle is still active, may change these values as the node will deplete faster with more extractors from other players sitting on it. I have had a hard time validating this as I rarely see other players networks on the planets I use.

- Be-careful with setting up extraction and factory planets in high sec, or any other system where the customs office tax is high. you can quickly eat up profits in import/export fees. this used to be the recommended method before the tax rates were changed. I often spend several mil a week(3-5M) per character on import/export fees only exporting P2, exporting P1 and importing to a factory planet, to export P3 or P4 from, the fees really add up. The price of importing and exporting P1 is not that high, but you are dealing with much bigger volumes. If you can put your factory planet somewhere you get low tax, it is well worthwhile. In high sec the fees can be equal to or higher than your profits.

-Command centers 5 is a long train. was about 18 days for me, but was well worth the time, as it allows you to easily produce P2 on a single planet without gimping your extraction. Also get far away from Jita. if you can find planet nobody else is using you can easily keep up with the demands of your factories, even in high sec.

Sometimes learning PI seems like unearthing some kind of ancient arcana with the transmutation of metals even being involved.

Skill Training got us all into this mess.

Only Remote Sensing can get us out.

Data obtained by the empirical method is always the best. Please report.

No difference, as far as I can see, between a scan done from other-region Jita, and a scan done while orbiting the planet itself.

I'm methodologically lazy, though. Can't be arsed to much about with screenshots and so forth. But until somebody else tests for the effect of Remote Sensing vs distance and skill level, the verdict is that the skill makes no difference once you've set up the Command Center.

Not empty posting. I merely remain curious about the exact utility of the Remote Sensing skill, in the Planetary Industry category.