Player Features and Ideas Discussion

ur terrible...

having a bad day are we? Look- don't come here and cry about needing support- this idea has support (or did you miss all that by skipping along to the end here and poopin out your post?)... balancing is still needed, it is going to prove to be the optimal setup for a ship no doubt, but if you want to do something different to have a unique ship then you should be able to jury rig your ship... That is what it's about.

ps- lighten up a little and allow some fun in your game... you just might enjoy it

All skills have an effect at each level, so, how about:

level 1: move high or mid to low
level 2: move high to mid
level 3: move high, mid, or low to rig
level 4: move low to mid
level 5: move low or mid to high

It's easier to scale something down than scale it up.

Some limitations?
- Rigs slots can't ever be changed.
- It has no effect on T3 ships (and possibly capitals).

Creating new game mechanics that only veterans can take advantage of sort of goes against existing design. Being able to swap slots around has the potential to be extremely potent and it would put people without it at a substantial disadvantage. Furthermore, swapping slots around is going to be a lot more useful on some ships than others which will of course radically unbalance stuff.

this will be a major change, which means current ship roles/capablilities/layouts will probably adjust accordingly.

Just tell me 2 things

1. Is it impossible to adjust current systems to make it work (albeit probably a major one)?
2. Will this not inject alot of uniqueness, possibilities, and fun into this game?

I'm not some math wizard.. I left that up to the pro's who have thankfully -THANK YOU PRO POSTERS- come along and worked it up a little. I know my strengths and grinding numbers for trolls like you to come along and spit on doesn't do it for me- I got ideas.. I plant seeds... this, I feel, is also a way to enable folks to do what they like and crunch the numbers- you dig?

BUT if I must pour out some measure of enlightenment for your understanding:

basically if you leave the powergrid and calibration and cpu alone (of course allowing those mods that would ordinarily affet them to have those effects on them) the issue is very small. It is self balancing because you can't fit some crazy 'thing-of-a-ship' by only swapping one slot to one other place... logic, not math, will prove to people that they will break more ships than they buff, (and making it a permanent slot move will be an ISK sink for broken ideas) AND YET there will be some folks who will be able to make their ships their own specific need vessels, and might luck out on a slot layout that is more advantageous to them for their own needs.

Granted there will always be a FOTM- and thus this skill will no doubt require tweeking when the need arrises, but you are simply not allowing for the human element, mistakes and chaos, and thinking outside of the box. To call you short sided is a slight to the short sighted... and they deserve better, even if they can't see that for themselves.

Now..

Vegine.. while i appreciate you for your positive input, but lets not overthink this thing shall we? If we over-complicate, then we provide far too many opportunity to punch holes in our ideas- wouldn't you agree?

The idea is to move 1 slot to another slot - it's simple elegant and logical in it's restrictions. Once a slot is moved on a ship- that ship is done... locked from ever being able to have a slot moved on it again. It doesn't cost ISK to do it- you may have just ruined a ship (and need to get yourself another hull) or made a new gem of a ship. I do not endorse your unlockables idea here- that is not the simple logical idea that I have put forward, that your new pal Kahega Amielden has shot down with a fervor. Make your own thread for that please - this is the thread for Advanced Jury Rigging. Thank you.


as for you Kahega Amielden...



What game have you been playing? Veterans have always held advantages over new players. You are a fool if you think otherwise, but thank you for your entertaining little mindset.

Ships with weapon-doubling role bonuses like Marauders or Sansha/Blood ships would be waaay op with this. (well...the pirate frigs/cruises wouldn't...but you get the idea)

I see no problems with having even more ship customizability happening, provided that you cannot add turret/bay slots. We don't need five gun Merlins.

What would be cool though would be being able to meddle further with the internals of a ship, and say... Create a T1 version of the Vengeance- a missile Punisher, by changing the 'stock' weapon system internal with a Khanid produced one. Of course, this'd add cost to such ships, though likely nothing unreasonable. (As a note, each faction's ships by default would not allow for you to slap on just any internals; you couldn't create a Caracal hull using internals designed for the Maller and Rupture, as an example. Though, you could probably find pirate versions of these infrastructure bits that'd give some decent advantages, perhaps a new thing from salvaging? Though this already sounds a great deal like rigs, so it may be totally redundant.)

Also, for the argument saying that sansha ships/marauders would be OP: they're both already quite expensive. Marauders regularly reach a billion ISK in cost, and have NO sensor strength, meaning that ECMs will lock them down extremely hard. They might be hard to kill, but they'll still be killable. And Sansha ships? They're generally not regarded as being very good. At least, in PvP; loads of cap problems. Being able to take their utility highs and swap them for meds where you could put cap boosters could make them viable and relevant, which is never a bad thing, really.

I fear something like this would unbalance the ships realy badly and nerds would find ways to exploit the skill to find a way to change a fit to their fawor (aka new form of drake fleets and nothing else on the battlefields). Would also counter the ship balance that ccp is working on hard.

So no. Even I like the idea having super tanks and such. If you want to play with modules and slots use t3 ships in my opinion and lets leave all the other ships out from it.

I see specialised gank ships everywhere.