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Wardec v.s. Bot Miner Corp

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2013-02-28 14:43:10 UTC  |  Edited by: LHA Tarawa
dexington wrote:
Rex Aparte wrote:
So apparently, when people "pvp" with noobs and carebears through wardecs, there are exploits that need to be fixed. But when real pvpers want to pvp with fake pvpers it's just "an option, where you are allowed to refuse the invitation". Tell me why I should take anything you say seriously?


Do you know what non-consensual pvp means?, it's kind of one of the core elements of eve. I guess you are one of players who need special treatment because eve is to hard, so please don't talk about being taken serious.




Non-consensual PVP will be limited to the point that it does not drive subscribers away from the game. Yes, you can attack anyone at anytime, assuming you are willing to lose your ships to do it. But, if it becomes so common that people stop playing because of it, then CCP will change the game mechanics to reduce it to levels below that where it is driving people out of the game.

You can war dec, and there will be a way around that too, so that your war decs do not drive players out of the game.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#122 - 2013-02-28 14:47:22 UTC
Rex Aparte wrote:
Thinks the point of wardecs are for mining or indy or noob corps - check

Whines when said corp uses game mechanics to get out of a wardec they don't want to be in - check

Even calls it an exploit and wants game changed so corps that don't want to be at war get "trapped" for at least a week. - check

I find it so funny that people are a. proud of their "wardecs" and b. surprised when their foe doesn't want to fight, and cry about it all day long on the forums. As someone smarter than me said, go ahead and wardec the best hisec merc alliance. I guarantee you they won't try and get out of it. But then again, that won't give you the easymode free kills you're looking for. Then it would you docking up and dissolving your corp instantly. Cry. Moar.

If they are indeed botters, petition them, wardeccing them does nothing to help your cause.



Agreed...No one that wardecs a mining or indy corp is looking for a fair or good fight. They want free kills. same reason people gank miners and freighters...they cant fight back.

A good fix might make it so every time you wardec a indy corp you also wardec the top merc corp Big smile
Whitehound
#123 - 2013-02-28 14:55:07 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Even if we just go with a grace period of 24 hours - you claim that is "no different" from them being able to instantly drop corp? How on earth do you think that? It means they've got to sit docked for a full day - no missioning, mining, whatever. There's an actual downside, albeit a fairly brief, trivial one. But there is at least one, rather than none.

Being able to instantly drop corp at no cost what so ever is stupid. This isn't me acting entitled, it's simply the truth.

Sure it is you acting entitled, but I do not care about it as we all have our reasons. More important is the fact that you cannot win and therefore do you want to make this the fault of others when it is really your own fault and you first need to learn how to pick your targets.

You still have not realized that you will want to get out of a war just as fast once the fight turns and you have become the losing party. When then someone insists on fighting you will you dock up just like everybody else and you will wait the 24h just the same. You will not undock and have your opponents pop all your ships one after another.

You are then misled in your beliefs when you think you need to punish others for not fighting you, but rather do you need to get away from it and to find a target who wants to fight and who you can fight. The sooner you learn who you can and cannot fight the better for you and all of us.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#124 - 2013-02-28 15:07:22 UTC  |  Edited by: 0Lona 0ltor
I was apperantely advocating botting in the post so CCP snipped my posts but look I'm still here. So now I'm not allowed to tell you to bot which I never did anyway.

Botters only get banned after the 3rd warning <------ What you do with the other 2 warnings I leave to your imagination, take this how you please.

I particularly hate bots but I see the error in telling noobs not to do while 50% EVE online was built with bots/macro's.
Rex Aparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2013-02-28 15:10:14 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
look I'm still here.



Not for long, I would imagine.
Whitehound
#126 - 2013-02-28 15:12:32 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Yup yup yup, Corp-hopping is a lame joke of a mechanic and just another inch of ground claimed by the carebear creep.

James 315 does it all the time, just so you know.

really

Check his corp history. James 315 opens and closes his little corp with every war-dec it seems. It is quite amusing to see one of his followers being against it. I actually think James 315 is right in doing it, because he is not the one who ganks miners. He only developed the idea of it. It is others who do the ganking.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#127 - 2013-02-28 15:15:18 UTC
Rex Aparte wrote:
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
look I'm still here.



Not for long, I would imagine.


Pfff I'm not advocating botting, I'm just stating facts.

CCP and facts and figures don't go well with each other tis true.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#128 - 2013-02-28 15:22:07 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
Rex Aparte wrote:
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
look I'm still here.



Not for long, I would imagine.


Pfff I'm not advocating botting, I'm just stating facts.

CCP and facts and figures don't go well with each other tis true.


You are implying that everyone else is doing it. You assert that half of EVE was built with bots and macros. What is your evidence of this?
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#129 - 2013-02-28 15:37:46 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
James 315 does it all the time, just so you know.

really

Check his corp history. James 315 opens and closes his little corp with every war-dec it seems. It is quite amusing to see one of his followers being against it. I actually think James 315 is right in doing it, because he is not the one who ganks miners. He only developed the idea of it. It is others who do the ganking.

I am shocked and appalled. And shocked. This is an outrage.
asteroidjas
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#130 - 2013-02-28 15:56:27 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
[quote=William Cane]found some botsquote]

Report them, have fun seeing the bot accounts getting permabanned. Take all the rocks for Yourself. Profit.


This doesn't really work...i've had a few (more like 60) flagged for up to 6 months at a time...some even stayed around long enough to get into Tengu's.

I've given up on the "report bot" tool. It simply does not work.

Even then, there is NO reward when you turn in hundreds of them b/c CCP can't figure out how they are operating...yet in a couple hours i can find dozens. So i kinda stopped caring, b/c if CCP won't give me any compensation for doing their job better, then i will no longer do their job, and just wait for opportunities to gank the insanely faction fitted bot ships.

Thats my two cents.

Back On Topic.

I hate the fact that they are 100% SAFE instantly by quiting to an NPC corp, then remaking their exact same corp as soon as the last of their characters is out of corp and it is 'closed'
Dave Stark
#131 - 2013-02-28 16:04:00 UTC
asteroidjas wrote:
100% SAFE instantly by quiting to an NPC corp


simply not true, you can still shoot them. there's NOTHING stopping you shooting them, not a single thing.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#132 - 2013-02-28 16:10:47 UTC
asteroidjas wrote:
I've given up on the "report bot" tool. It simply does not work.

Even then, there is NO reward when you turn in hundreds of them b/c CCP can't figure out how they are operating...yet in a couple hours i can find dozens. So i kinda stopped caring, b/c if CCP won't give me any compensation for doing their job better, then i will no longer do their job, and just wait for opportunities to gank the insanely faction fitted bot ships.

Thats my two cents.

Back On Topic.

I hate the fact that they are 100% SAFE instantly by quiting to an NPC corp, then remaking their exact same corp as soon as the last of their characters is out of corp and it is 'closed'


are you sure they're actually botters? i don't think botters would bother with a corp. there's nothing you can't do in an NPC corp with regard to mining afaik. even randoms in the belt i'm in can offer orca boost because it applies to fleet.

forums.  serious business.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2013-02-28 20:02:17 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
asteroidjas wrote:
100% SAFE instantly by quiting to an NPC corp


simply not true, you can still shoot them. there's NOTHING stopping you shooting them, not a single thing.


Actually, technically any sort of deterrent DOES stop people. That's what a deterrent is. Now granted, it doesn't stop EVERYBODY, but to say nothing is stopping them is flat out wrong. It'd be like saying the law doesn't stop someone from stealing. Doesn't stop everyone, but stops some.

Whitehound wrote:
You are then misled in your beliefs when you think you need to punish others for not fighting you, but rather do you need to get away from it and to find a target who wants to fight and who you can fight. The sooner you learn who you can and cannot fight the better for you and all of us.


Frankly there's no reason to punish the aggressor for people not fighting them either... not that you agree since apparently you think something like the stock/commodities market is the same thing, but whatever.
Dave Stark
#134 - 2013-02-28 20:05:56 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
it doesn't stop EVERYBODY.


so. they aren't 100% safe, is what you're saying.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2013-02-28 20:07:11 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
it doesn't stop EVERYBODY.


so. they aren't 100% safe, is what you're saying.


Yeah, saying that much is accurate at least.
Whitehound
#136 - 2013-02-28 20:13:16 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
Frankly there's no reason to punish the aggressor for people not fighting them either... not that you agree since apparently you think something like the stock/commodities market is the same thing, but whatever.

No, not only do I disagree, but I will not ever agree to a logic where an aggressor considers himself punished for an instant win, but chooses to think it is a punishment. It is outright stupid.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#137 - 2013-02-28 20:22:08 UTC
Everyone who plays this game LOVES non-consensual PVP. Except when it happens to them. Then it's not fair, needs to be removed from the game, will quit if it happens, etc.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2013-02-28 20:26:49 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
Frankly there's no reason to punish the aggressor for people not fighting them either... not that you agree since apparently you think something like the stock/commodities market is the same thing, but whatever.

No, not only do I disagree, but I will not ever agree to a logic where an aggressor considers himself punished for an instant win, but chooses to think it is a punishment. It is outright stupid.


Technically the defender is the one the won as they did more ISK damage and lost nothing beyond what it cost to make a new corp. So its more an instant loss.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#139 - 2013-02-28 20:33:04 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
A good fix might make it so every time you wardec a indy corp you also wardec the top merc corp Big smile
Good industrial corps should have enough ISK or can provide enough services to ensure that the top merc corp(s) favour them. Blink
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#140 - 2013-02-28 20:36:06 UTC
People should be able to drop corp to get out of war, I do agree with that.

That isn't the problem though.

It's not losing anything when you do that I have an issue with.

You should gain something worth losing when you join a player run corp; not have nothing to lose by dropping it. The only hard thing about owning a PoS is getting the standin to put one up, and then you only need one character with the standing and any of your others can own the PoS.