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Petition - Full ban of multi boxing programs which duplicate clicks.

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Zoe Panala
Blobcats
#381 - 2013-02-28 10:33:23 UTC
Agreed. With cheats, there is no skill involved. I can run 6 accounts just fine without any 3rd party programs. Learn to play, if you want to multibox, nooblets! Twisted
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#382 - 2013-02-28 10:35:05 UTC
Boobiq wrote:
dexington wrote:
Boobiq wrote:
How exactly is that not automated?


It's not automated, because it require a person to push the button. It's it was automated the process would continue, without someone stilling at the keyboard.


I said it is semi automated...good god... cant u read ? Multiplication is automation if you have no understanding of programming then dont post.


A regular human human can perform one action with one click.
One click resulting in more than one click for the computer = automated action. Should it be simultaneous clicks on different clients, or clicks delayed, on the same client.

Imagine someone, I don't know... pedaling on two bikes simultaneously. Or twenty.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#383 - 2013-02-28 10:35:58 UTC
Boobiq wrote:
Multiplication is automation if you have no understanding of programming then dont post.


you know how to nerd rage, but don't understand elementary mathematics while claiming to understand programming, you clearly are the one how should decide how gets to post on the forum.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Boobiq
Imperial Express
#384 - 2013-02-28 10:36:37 UTC
Zoe Panala wrote:
Agreed. With cheats, there is no skill involved. I can run 6 accounts just fine without any 3rd party programs. Learn to play, if you want to multibox, nooblets! Twisted


And some can do "solo" PVP with 3 accounts and still be perfectly capable of handling most situations. So I dont see why multiboxing should be allowed.
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#385 - 2013-02-28 11:49:36 UTC
Boobiq wrote:

Because it is not normal for one to control 80 accounts and CCP knows it aswell.


Why?

When I play Age of Empires I easily control 80 villagers?

EvE is a sandbox game. If some players want to play it as an MMO-RTS why is that a problem?
Dave Stark
#386 - 2013-02-28 12:25:52 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
I'm fairly sure Dave was one of the ex-bob Mackinaws I petitioned about 1-2 years ago, again and again, for botting in an ice belt and being very obvious about it.


i'm not even sure i've been playing that long, and i certainly wasn't in bob.
Astri Lastri
Astra Inc
#387 - 2013-02-28 12:41:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Astri Lastri
Automation is not when your action is cause of allowed game action, even if you sent that action to multiple clients.

When you use meta actions (which gives you advantage) you break EULA. Meta action is when your action cause queue of allowed game actions occur. No matter if you use single or multiple clients. THIS IS AUTOMATION.
Vicata Heth
Sensible People
Sigma Grindset
#388 - 2013-02-28 13:41:34 UTC
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the fact that we could all solo gank boobiq over here, because we're all evil multiboxers who use key broadcasting to gank with our army of tornados.
Dave Stark
#389 - 2013-02-28 13:58:29 UTC
Astri Lastri wrote:
Automation is not when your action is cause of allowed game action, even if you sent that action to multiple clients.

When you use meta actions (which gives you advantage) you break EULA. Meta action is when your action cause queue of allowed game actions occur. No matter if you use single or multiple clients. THIS IS AUTOMATION.


except to send something to multiple clients you've sent something, and provided an input, so it isn't automation....
Boobiq
Imperial Express
#390 - 2013-02-28 15:17:14 UTC
Vicata Heth wrote:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the fact that we could all solo gank boobiq over here, because we're all evil multiboxers who use key broadcasting to gank with our army of tornados.


another troll multiboxer...
Boobiq
Imperial Express
#391 - 2013-02-28 15:19:29 UTC
Astri Lastri wrote:
Automation is not when your action is cause of allowed game action, even if you sent that action to multiple clients.

When you use meta actions (which gives you advantage) you break EULA. Meta action is when your action cause queue of allowed game actions occur. No matter if you use single or multiple clients. THIS IS AUTOMATION.


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Notorious Fellon
#392 - 2013-02-28 15:20:21 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Astri Lastri wrote:
Automation is not when your action is cause of allowed game action, even if you sent that action to multiple clients.

When you use meta actions (which gives you advantage) you break EULA. Meta action is when your action cause queue of allowed game actions occur. No matter if you use single or multiple clients. THIS IS AUTOMATION.


except to send something to multiple clients you've sent something, and provided an input, so it isn't automation....



No matter how many times you try and define the word to suit your needs, it doesn't change the fact that *some* people are against the practice. It is currently "OK" according to CCP's interpretation of their EULA, and theirs is the only one that matters in the end. But, that still doesn't change that some people are against the practice.

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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#393 - 2013-02-28 17:34:25 UTC
In addition to a "like" button, CCP needs to add a "dead horse" button.

If you see someone you think is breaking the ToS or the EULA then petition it and let the GM's sort it out. Otherwise relax, take a deep breath and go about your merry way and enjoy your game play experience.
Ginger Barbarella
#394 - 2013-02-28 17:41:04 UTC
Klymer wrote:
In addition to a "like" button, CCP needs to add a "dead horse" button.

If you see someone you think is breaking the ToS or the EULA then petition it and let the GM's sort it out. Otherwise relax, take a deep breath and go about your merry way and enjoy your game play experience.


I have a better solution to the "problem" other than wasting GM time on silliness: how about the person with his/her panties in a bunch either wardec or gank those offending parties?

I know, I know... CRAZY idea like that doesn't belong in a game like EveO. Bad Ginger, BAD!

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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#395 - 2013-02-28 18:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Klymer
Totally acceptable idea, just one that has consequences for both parties that is fairly limited and some people are risk averse. Whereas letting a GM drop the banhammer on someone is one that has virtually no consequences for the initiating party yet provides a severe penalty to the offender, namely eliminating their ability to play and possible asset seizure.

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ian papabear
No Regard.
#396 - 2013-02-28 18:15:51 UTC
this would mean that half of the active pl super cap fleet would be gone

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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#397 - 2013-03-01 11:05:20 UTC
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Boobiq
Imperial Express
#398 - 2013-03-01 11:46:18 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Some posts were removed.

Please discuss this topic without resorting to personal insults!


exactly keep it clean and tidy
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#399 - 2013-03-01 22:48:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Dave Stark wrote:
Astri Lastri wrote:
Automation is not when your action is cause of allowed game action, even if you sent that action to multiple clients.

When you use meta actions (which gives you advantage) you break EULA. Meta action is when your action cause queue of allowed game actions occur. No matter if you use single or multiple clients. THIS IS AUTOMATION.


except to send something to multiple clients you've sent something, and provided an input, so it isn't automation....



For that account you are controlling yes.

Not the other 19 in your 20man army.

Those clicks were automated by a script to duplicate the original input.

The best reference was the "pedaling while on 2 bicycles" analogy. You can own 2 bikes, noone is disputing that fact. You can either alternate riding them down the street, or you can ride 1 to your destination and walk/travel to the other bike then ride it down to your destination.

I'm sure you could technically fashion a broomhandle across the handle bars to hardware comply multiple actions...

But ultimately, you cannot ride 2 bikes at once. Not without assistance of some kind.

The EULA, should govern that assistance, not monitor it.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#400 - 2013-03-01 23:42:26 UTC
The issue here is not "is multicasting automation". Even if we all agreed it was not, CCP could still ban it.

The issue is, going forward from now should it continue to be allowed, or banned?

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