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Yulai?

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Mynutor
Myn Industries
#1 - 2013-02-28 09:29:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mynutor
I was wondering why CCP limited the number of pilots in Jita.

I don't think that maintaining the chat feature should be that big of a deal.

The only thing I can think of why there is such a big lag (if more pilots could enter it) is that pilots are camping the jump gates, scanning cargo, trying to suicide gank.

Wouldn't be an easy fix to bring Yulai back? You would have 4 star gates where campers/gankers could do their work, and once the pilots jumped into Yulai they would immediately enter the station? I think that would quartal the number of pilots in one system, which would be manageable?

I'm a n00b I might be missing something.

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Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#2 - 2013-02-28 13:58:43 UTC
Mynutor wrote:
I might be missing something.

The sandbox, for one thing.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#3 - 2013-02-28 15:14:28 UTC
The formation of market hubs is emergent. It is not the result of CCP decree.

They did not decide that Yulai should become a hub back in the days of yore, nor did they decide that Jita should become the super-hub of today. These things happened as a result of the complex interactions between a great many players and the environment in which they act.

Indeed, most of the reasons for the formation of the Jita super-hub no longer hold. Nowdays Jita is Jita simply because it is Jita.

Certainly CCP could push things in one direction or another, but dictating a market hub system is counter to the sandbox.

A more workable variant of your idea, if something like that was actually needed, would be to disconnect the market from systems entirely and make it a universally accessible vending point that disregards location. However, that solution would still be anti-sandbox and would have wide reaching and (I would say) terrible consequences.

Better they just keep adding more hamsters to the wheel, improving their code and (more importantly) using world shaping and other incentives to draw all the worker bees away from the Jita honey pot and towards other locations.

I would suggest that the best way to distribute the market to more locations around EVE would be to drastically improve 0.0 so that more robust markets spring up at the connections between hi-sec and 0.0.

Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#4 - 2013-02-28 17:26:47 UTC
There needs to be a limit so that things don't break.

yes

mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-02-28 17:31:11 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:

A more workable variant of your idea, if something like that was actually needed, would be to disconnect the market from systems entirely and make it a universally accessible vending point that disregards location. However, that solution would still be anti-sandbox and would have wide reaching and (I would say) terrible consequences.


No argument there. This would be ****ing awful for a variety of reasons.

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#6 - 2013-02-28 17:51:33 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:

A more workable variant of your idea, if something like that was actually needed, would be to disconnect the market from systems entirely and make it a universally accessible vending point that disregards location. However, that solution would still be anti-sandbox and would have wide reaching and (I would say) terrible consequences.


No argument there. This would be ****ing awful for a variety of reasons.

I think there are ways it could be done that would avoid some of the obvious problems and it would allow issues of load to be sidestepped for an extended period, whereas the OP's idea would at best buy us very little time before the load issues come back.

Still, even the best possible implementation along these lines is going to a massive leap backwards for the economy and sandbox that are major selling points of the EVE experience. Tantamount to sabotage in my eyes.

In any case, I feel that Jita is a symptom of a problem rather than a problem in and of itself.
Danari
Syncore
#7 - 2013-03-01 10:02:46 UTC
I've always felt that factory slot prices should be demand-driven in the same way as office rents. Pushing production farther from the market would create incentive for lower-cost lower-price hubs.
RaTTuS
BIG
#8 - 2013-03-01 10:37:34 UTC
Danari wrote:
I've always felt that factory slot prices should be demand-driven in the same way as office rents. Pushing production farther from the market would create incentive for lower-cost lower-price hubs.

they are - to a certain level
also lab slots but they are broken because it checks copy , me , pe slots

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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#9 - 2013-03-11 12:18:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
It's beyond me why traders sit in Jita and deal with the lag, why do they do it? I sit 4 jumps out and trade remotely so I don't have to get frustrated by the slight freezing that exists at times in Jita. The local chat slime also annoy me. The only reason I enter Jita is to move actual items that's it. When trading there I do so remotely.
Benjamin Arthie
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-03-11 16:18:20 UTC
More people means more compatition.


Trust me im a trader

I'm not a low-sec roamer, i just need to blow off some steam every now and then.

Benjamin Arthie
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2013-03-11 16:28:38 UTC
But to be seriuos we need more people in jita,theres not enough donut holder underwear fights.


Trust me im a trader

I'm not a low-sec roamer, i just need to blow off some steam every now and then.

Mathrin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-03-11 18:07:46 UTC
Benjamin Arthie wrote:
But to be seriuos we need more people in jita,theres not enough donut holder underwear fights.


Trust me im a trader


I want to trust you... But right after I think about it something tells me I shouldn't....
Benjamin Arthie
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2013-03-11 20:06:32 UTC
Mathrin wrote:


I want to trust you... But right after I think about it something tells me I shouldn't....




no really trust me im a trader

I'm not a low-sec roamer, i just need to blow off some steam every now and then.