Ships & Modules

imagine that...aml (now rapid light I guess) kills frigates better. its almost like ccp designed them to do that.

Now do this....take one ,hell, wimnatar cruiser. Make sure is has no tracking bonuses, no te, no tc, no web and no drones. I'll be nice run the gyro since I am sure the crapacal is BCU'd. Make 2 runs and find fun small things to kill like say spider drones.

Run1: The medium AC guns of your choice.
Run 2: 150mm ACII

Those unbonused 150mm II's should kill off the spider drones much faster. 150mm II chosen as its the best mix of deeps and internal tracking, imo...I am actually hooking you up here lol. If you run 200 II's....they will still be faster than a medium gun. I jsut like 150mm II's. I will not have you run arty like this...once those spider drones get that tight close orbit you are wasting ammo. Moral of this story....small weapons kill small target better. I even apply this at the frigate level...if it was go hunting for frigates I slapped in 150's over 200. Less dps, but what dps i had hit better.


T2 ammo and fury specifically. Fury is big ship amm, accept and move on. It was this way before the changes imo. If you want all in one ammo...faction missiels. Its not so hot on the other side of the fence in gun world. Ever wonder why non one says lets go shoot that interceptor with hail from a medium AC II? do a third run like above and tell me how it goes. The t2 arty ammo...lets not even go there. Just run Rf ammo and not hate life.

I actually think they are reasonably balanced now.

All other long range systems have crappy tracking which mean when a target gets close you do FA damage and are screwed.

Assuming constant target velocity missiles do the same damage from max range -> 0m. They are also capless. They are also used predominantly on ships with great tanks.

If you want HMLs to do the same dps as long-range gun based systems at their optimal do you think it is fair they also do the same dps at 500m with high transversal? Because the nature of missiles means they will.

(Also don't forget that tracking modules ((and tracking disruptors)) will be affecting missiles sometime soon as per devblog. They will presumably have been balanced with this in mind.)

TDs need an overall nerf. They are too good on unbonused ships against turrets atm. Plenty of missile ships are using them and laughing at the turret boats.

Once the turret effects are diminished then the missile effects can be added at a similarly weaker percentage. This will prevent the modules from becoming mandatory to fit on every and any ship. Also, then the ship bonuses on the specialized TD ships could be buffed to compensate for the overall nerf on the module. This will make the specialized ships more desirable, like ecm boats are and even now damp boats can be.

OP, Caracals are seeing incredible usage numbers. And the ubiquitous pve tengus haven't gone away now have they. Heavy missiles appear to be fine or better than the alternatives, even now, after the nerf.

My Mach pilot is doing better than your 450 dps tengu pilot. I shall whine for you.

Doesn't matter. EFT says 1500+dps. That means Mach wins EvE.... Wait... WHY AREN'T I WINNING EVE?!! EFT SAYS I SHOULD!!!111oneone

My t1 fit caracal begs to differ

My ~1000 DPS HAM Tengu is also doing fine

You thought that was a baseball bat :p

Missiles will never get a "wrecking" or whatever a double damage critical hit is either. Keep your guns ungrouped and manually fly against your target to keep him in your optimal and transversal low. You will find that your DPS greatly improves over what EFT or PYFA tells you it will be.

I used HM's before the change
I use HM's after the change

Before the change I needed to fit SeBo's to different ships i can fly to make effective use of the HM range
Now I have the choice of extra Tank/Cap or an AB or TP instead ...
More choice is a "good thing"



fyi
Drake, Gila, Tengu, Navy Caracal & Cerberus are mostly what i pootle around in.