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Slowcats - are they worth it?
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Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-02-28 14:05:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cebraio
Wacktopia wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
... The disproportional volume of fighters vs sentries is so great that a carrier can carry 4000 sentry drones.

But they usually don't have that many. T2 sentries are expensive. Nobody carries 4000. Only a few hundred.


Yes, of course. And T1 are the obvious choice given their expendability.


Well, at least in CFC we don't use T1. They are expendable but they also perform much worse.
Mirel Dystoph
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-02-28 14:06:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Need a new naming system.
^^

Why cats?

Because it's a PL doctrine.

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2013-02-28 14:08:55 UTC
Mirel Dystoph wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Need a new naming system.
^^

Why cats?

Because it's a PL doctrine.

Someone needs to explain to PL that cats aren't slow. They may be careful or just not all that bothered, but at any point where they would actually be slow, they just lie down and don't actually move at all.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-02-28 14:10:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mirel Dystoph wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Need a new naming system.
^^

Why cats?

Because it's a PL doctrine.

Someone needs to explain to PL that cats aren't slow. They may be careful or just not all that bothered, but at any point where they would actually be slow, they just lie down and don't actually move at all.

My cat sometimes is so slow that I have to be careful not to trip over her.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2013-02-28 14:13:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Cebraio wrote:
My cat sometimes is so slow that I have to be careful not to trip over her.
That sounds more like it has added another tactic to its plans to kill you. That, or it just can't be bothered, as mentioned. P
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#26 - 2013-02-28 15:08:17 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Need a new naming system.
^^

Why cats?

Cats rule the Internet and hence Internet spaceships?


This.

Tippia wrote:

Someone needs to explain to PL that cats aren't slow. They may be careful or just not all that bothered, but at any point where they would actually be slow, they just lie down and don't actually move at all.


Cats lying down and not moving would be the napcat doctrine. While this doctrine is also prevalent in nullsec "combat", it doesn't require any ships.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Havoc Zealot
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-02-28 16:42:15 UTC
You do know that for every fleet there is a counter right?

Anytime someone comes up with an innovative fleet concept there is always another fleet that can destroy it, you just have to think of it first.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-02-28 17:45:48 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
There are also counters to slowcats.
...
- You can bring slowcats
- ...
- You can bring Titans and supers

Slowcats actually require more work for the average F1 fleet member, so I don't see a problem with that aspect.


I'm always suspicious of someone who claims a thing is balanced and then lists that very thing as a counter.
Mire Stoude
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-02-28 17:47:19 UTC
What about frigs or destroyers that can snipe sentry drones from outside smart bomb range? If only the FC is doing the target selection and shooting, s/he would waste a lot of dps overkilling small ships.
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#30 - 2013-02-28 17:51:45 UTC
So basically what you are saying is that your enemy came up with a nice fleet idea, made enough isk to make it happen and now you cant be bothered to make a counter fleet?

OK I can get behind that, please CCP fix it for me to have better stuff than my enemy because I ask you for it.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Hannah Flex
#31 - 2013-02-28 18:02:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Hannah Flex
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General Nusense
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-02-28 18:17:54 UTC
Hannah Flex wrote:
The only "problem" with slowcats is they take another capital fleet to counter, but nobody wants to drop caps. Hey guess what a capital fleet needs a capital fleet to counter. Supers and Dreads make quick work of carriers. Quit being scared and drop caps.

Escalate- thats the word for the day escalate, thatd be a good expansion title too

EVE Online: Escalation


Slow cats are not OP.

What is OP is assigning 500+ drones to a single ship that is remote sensor boosted.
Limit the amount of drones that can be assigned to a single ship and Slowcats can be countered by a normal fleet.

Made a signature so I am taken seriously on the forums, since thats the only thing they are good for.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#33 - 2013-02-28 18:29:46 UTC
Falcon?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-02-28 18:34:52 UTC
Hannah Flex wrote:
The only "problem" with slowcats is they take another capital fleet to counter, but nobody wants to drop caps. Hey guess what a capital fleet needs a capital fleet to counter. Supers and Dreads make quick work of carriers. Quit being scared and drop caps.

Escalate- thats the word for the day escalate, thatd be a good expansion title too

EVE Online: Escalation

Didnt they call the "pre-patch" to inferno Escalation?

Oops I ruined your idea.
fukier
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-02-28 18:36:41 UTC
the problem with slowcats is the only counter is either more slowcats or titans... and lots of them...

we need a sub-cap counter...

my propersal is a t3 version of a battleship...

something the size of a freighter but does 1/3 damage of a dread and has the tank of a tier 1 bs.
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-02-28 18:48:29 UTC
Hey, ive heard there is this thing called void bombs and they are pretty good at ******* over spidertanks
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-02-28 18:54:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Cebraio
Takseen wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
There are also counters to slowcats.
...
- You can bring slowcats
- ...
- You can bring Titans and supers

Slowcats actually require more work for the average F1 fleet member, so I don't see a problem with that aspect.


I'm always suspicious of someone who claims a thing is balanced and then lists that very thing as a counter.

For the record, I never said they were balanced. I just don't think they are incredibly OP. There are counters for them and not all possible counters have been tested yet. People usually just chicken out when there are slowcats on the field.

Also, what General Nusense said. The problem is that one guy can direct the Alpha of a whole fleet.

So maybe we need something like Drone Bandwidth for assisted drones ... and then we could get hi-slot modules that increase this bandwidth and also get command ship bonuses for it. Then we'd have to rely on multiple target callers and their coordination. ... On the other hand this would make target callers less vulnerable for EWAR. Twisted
Hannah Flex
#38 - 2013-02-28 18:58:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Hannah Flex
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VaalOversoul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-02-28 19:13:11 UTC
Very simple solution - limit the number of drones you can control the same way fighter control is limited. It'd cut the effectivenes A LOT... Sure they might still need some tunning but having to actually lock each target by broadcast, the same normal fleet has to and then shoot would bring at least some balance...
trevormax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-02-28 19:13:13 UTC
As a possible counter would you be able to use a sniper fleet to take out the fast locking ship outside of the sentry drones range?