Player Features and Ideas Discussion

AARs were originally designed to use Cap Boosters. The community asked for nanite paste because of its size.

Right now a Navy Cap booster 400 is going for about 110k in jita and takes up 12m3. 8 charges of nanite paste will set you back double that, (at the currently inflated price due to the new module,) but you could fit 1200 units of nanite paste in the same space, enough for 120 cycles of a large AAR. The price of paste will normalise back to its previous 15k per unit.

Would you rather have all your cargo space taken up with mutliple sizes of cap boosters?

Thanks for the armor tanking love that we received in Retribution 1.1 . Armor tanking certainly needs it for the non capital ship sizes! However there are still several major issues that remain. My points are mostly for PVE and I do not consider PVP med slots!

1. armor tanking in general is too cap heavy! Why? Armor tanking races Amarr, Gallente both also have gun systems that stress cap intensively! This issue is less when you get high enough skills and mix turrets with missile launchers but this issue needs to be fixed especially for new players that take first steps with battleships!
2. I constantly make different ship fits and compare them and in average I found that shield fit BS get about 300-400 dps tank to factional damage type. When armor gets about 250-300. This is with about same DPS levels yet armor tanks usually get less DPS as well since you need to compromise DPS to tank since damage modules are fit in low with the tank mods.
3. When shield and armor tanking are compared shield gets also passive tank from buffer and certain types of mods. This more than makes up the penalty that shield tank ships get from signature radius. Thanks to reactive hardening we now have similar mechanism for armor that stiffens the tank lower it gets. But we still could use mechanism that would allow armor to regenerate. I want this because I like to keep my armor buffer full and not every station have repairs. This would be also very important for wormhole / null sec roaming for solo ship. With lore it could simply be just these nanobots that would activate when the ship was not in combat state. This can be out of combat very slow even when its just there. This could be applied in special ship mode that would not be wise / could not be put on during combat. Making you stationary whatever. Just please give us in space armor rep since shields have that too even in combat!
4. When its spoken about ship defenses shield is on top of armor. This means that to blow a ship you have to penetrate their shield, armor and hull. This means that shield ship still has HP left before they even go to hull Since they have armor as well. Armor tanking needs something to get over this lack. My suggestion would be that armor resistance mods could give slight bonus to hull resistances. So it would balance the hp that armor lacks after their tank is blown up.
5. Armor and shield resistance flatting between damage types: more flat resistance types for both armor and shield, damage type plays too big role in the game which I do not find very appealing. For example it makes lasers to be quite unusable in many situations. Giving missiles and projectile weapons too big edge over the other weapon systems. NOT FLAT just less big holes in resistance types thank you!

Summary

• Less cap intensive armor tanking!!!!! especially for new people skills count too much especially for amarr!!!! See above
• Give armor some reasonable ability to regenerate without repairers. See above
• Armor modules resistance bonus minor applying to hull. See above
• Armor and shield resistance flatting See above
• PVE racial damage type tanking balanced (armor vs shield) See above

I would like to see balanced EVE where one could fly any ship without feeling the ship or weapon or tank type sucked. To be able to fly Minny PVE with Amarr ship if I so liked (now its not worth the trouble at all). Please give people reasons to play also different races than Minmatar and Caldari in PVE highsec!

P.S I am sad to see that ships get rebalanced now when there is more severe balance issues between shield vs armor tanking. Armor tanking is very bad for solo flying anything. When shield is awesome for that. Also smaller ships cruisers, bc, bs suck tanking armor ( bit better now with changes ) compared to shield. When Shield tanked cap ships stink bulls arse. These issues should have been issued before doing individual ships!

Reduction of capacitor needs per activation/cycle (25 to 35%)+reduction of cycle would be enough (red: from 15 to 10 max 11.5s before skills)

Heres to make the AAR even worse than we already thought it was on the maths done so far.
Large Reppers
Overheated T2. 880 Repped over 12.75 Seconds. 69.01/sec.
AAR. 1250 Repped over 15 seconds. 83.33/sec.
The AAR is a bare 20% better than an overheated T2 for burst tanking

Now.... yes, you 'can' overheat the AAR also, but I did this comparison for the following reason.
If I overheat pulse my T2 rep, I then shut it off every once in a while to repair it with nanite paste, during which time I get no reps.
If I run my AAR normally, I shut it off every once in a while to reload it with nanite paste, during which time I get no reps.
If I then overheat my AAR, not only do I have to do a 60 second reload sooner, I then ALSO have to repair it. Taking even longer with no reps.

So for burst tank, an Overheated T2 vs an AAR is a more appropriate comparision than a T2 running normally, as both consume nanite paste at that point, and require shutting off periodically.

So.... what does this mean, it means that unless it takes 60 seconds to repair the T2 with nanite paste from overheat damage of 90 seconds of cycles, The T2 pulsed in overheat cycles will rep MORE than the AAR. And probably use LESS nanite paste to do so in this manner, as well as maybe being sustainable for more than 90 seconds of overheating. (Depending on skills).
Of course, since I can also use as many T2's like this as I want, I can alternate my T2 dual fit like this, while I can only single fit an AAR....
Major win, T2.

Your logic is flawed, you can easily heat a repper for 8 cycles without burning it out and you don't have to reload it when it runs out.


A AAR outperforms a t2 rep for 19 cycles, then the t2 overtakes.

I wish they made the AAR like the ASB was proposed in the first place. Draw charges directly from the cargo hold instead of loading charges in the module. Armor is supposed to be the sustainable tanking style. Give us this.

No, my logic isn't flawed, that was exactly the point I was making, that you can run a T2 Repper on overheat, and repair with nanite paste as needed, and it vastly out performs the AAR. And this was with just T2 reppers without stepping up to deadspace.

You would think that since nanite paste hardly takes up much volume that a reload would be much quicker
you would think you could run it forever without needing to reload it.

CCP Fozzie aswell as the other requests for less cap usage higher reps and the OH issues consider reducing the nanite reload time and amount stored in the module to begin with .. you can understand cap boosters needing the 60s to reload them being big bulky things to move but nanites are tiny in every way and as such a little more realism here would be nice..... yes i realise its a made up world and what not but you get my point.... its an arbitrary unnecessary reload time from the original design for it to use cap boosters and also considering the cost of having nanites and armour reps being inherently weaker than shield reps at least give it this for it to remain competitive.

Also consider changing resist bonuses to HP would make gallente ships with rep bonuses actually better at repping instead of worse and then stuck with a bonus.

And also the Armour honeycombing skill barely improves its speed and agility it needs to be stronger or change plates to make it have more of an effect.

With active armor tanking you lose the mid slots to capacitor booster mods. Example is dual rep incursus needs a cap booster to make it go. With that cap booster it's down to a scram and therefore can't control range.

Etc....

Edit: The other thing we know is that Amarr is the better tanking race - both buffer and active tanking. That 5%/level resistance bonuse plus an extra low slot > 7.5% active repping bonus.

Hopefully we'll see a fix for mandatory cap boosters when the battleships get redone (right?).