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C2 BC, Hybrid ( Blaster pref. )
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Aylin Aslim
Memintolar Tombikto
#1 - 2013-02-26 13:36:37 UTC
Hey,
Trying to get a solid fit for c2's.

Is Myrm. is best for this stuff?

What about naga or talos?

How much active tank do i need for them?

Thanks for responses.
Phaderift
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2013-02-26 17:43:09 UTC
blasters may have range issues when you get webbed at a distance. Id offer more advice but i have not run c2 sites in about a year. myrm might work but you will really have to watch your drones
Castor Troyy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-02-26 18:37:35 UTC
Blasters and Drones really aren't an efficient way to do anysites. The Naga/Talos would be decent with railguns but their local tank might be a concern. A few questions to better help you. Is it you solo? with only one toon? do you have alts that will be used also?
QT McWhiskers
EdgeGamers
#4 - 2013-02-26 19:03:47 UTC
If you have the ability, a drake is easily the best ship to solo these sites in. If not, the new AAR for the brutix might make it a beast with railguns to run the C2s.
Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#5 - 2013-02-26 19:22:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Backfyre
Aylin Aslim wrote:
Hey,
Trying to get a solid fit for c2's.

Is Myrm. is best for this stuff?

What about naga or talos?

How much active tank do i need for them?

Thanks for responses.


No and No for talos and naga. You will have a hell of a time taking out the frigates.

Some of the sleepers lurk around 30km, so blasters are not a good choice either.

If you must go hybrids, would go with 200mm or 250mm rails and light/medium drones to help with frigates.

Also, armor tanking sleepers is simply a PITA. It can be done, but a shield tank would be much easier. Perhaps a Ferox would work better than a myrmidon or armor bruitix. Shield brutix may work too.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-02-26 21:15:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Aylin Aslim wrote:
Hey,
Trying to get a solid fit for c2's.

Is Myrm. is best for this stuff?

What about naga or talos?

How much active tank do i need for them?

Thanks for responses.



If you don't have a lot of SP invested in Hybrids, do yourself a favor now, train missiles and a drake for C2's. In a myrm you're going to spend a lot of time warping off to rep your armor or warping off to warp back into the sight at points closer to your targets. Once you're webbed, your 5km effective range on your blasters is going to prevent you from getting into range of the ships you need to kill before your tank breaks.

The drake on the other hand is going to be able to tank the C2 site just fine and you'll actually save 5 - 10 minutes running the site in a medium skilled drake compared to a high skilled myrm in the first place.

W-space PVE is NOT hybrid friendly. Any of the other 3 weapons systems do better in w-space than hybrids. Drone's solo, don't even think about it.

The thing about Gallente in w-space is due to the effective ranges on their guns, their cap requirements and their tanks, you'll spend most of time maneuvering and not applying dps. So while you might have an awesome fit getting +500dps on your myrm since you'll be recalling for drones far more time than they're applying their dps and spending time maneuvering just to get those blasters in range, your effective dps is much much smaller.

And that's the same for most fits in most other ships I see. I often have people bring me +1000dps BS fits to fly in a C4. And that's great. Assuming there isn't an issue with their tank they'll still have problems with tracking and range. If they're spending half their time maneuvering just to fire including misses. Well, now you're looking at less than 500 effective dps if you compare it to a ship like a tengu with 500dps that you can start firing almost immediately upon landing in the site and never having to otherwise excessively maneuver to get into range of the next target. The same is true for the drake and myrm.

Don't ban me, bro!
Marsan
#7 - 2013-02-26 22:50:04 UTC
Soloing in a Myrm is just bad idea. It can work okay if you use rails and drones for dps in a group. Drones rarely get targeted by sleepers when you have 3+ ships in the site, but get eaten like popcorn when you solo.

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#8 - 2013-02-27 04:40:54 UTC
Backfyre wrote:
Aylin Aslim wrote:
Hey,
Trying to get a solid fit for c2's.

Is Myrm. is best for this stuff?

What about naga or talos?

How much active tank do i need for them?

Thanks for responses.


No and No for talos and naga. You will have a hell of a time taking out the frigates.

Some of the sleepers lurk around 30km, so blasters are not a good choice either.

If you must go hybrids, would go with 200mm or 250mm rails and light/medium drones to help with frigates.

Also, armor tanking sleepers is simply a PITA. It can be done, but a shield tank would be much easier. Perhaps a Ferox would work better than a myrmidon or armor bruitix. Shield brutix may work too.


45 KM with Iron charges (or somewhere near that) and the same DPS than that of a drake or more (if your transversal is low) in my talos. The thing is that it can die fast.

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Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#9 - 2013-02-27 05:20:12 UTC
Confirming that you can do all the anoms in a C2 in a dual rep mwd blaster Brutix easily. There is only 1 site that has webbers, which are frigates that orbit quite close and can be easily taken out with lights and even be hit with your blasters a little.

However as mentioned above the maneuvering around and limited range means a Drake will always be better, however my T1 BC of choice is the Harbinger, much more dps than a Drake with a very respectable 30km max range.
chris elliot
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#10 - 2013-02-27 09:52:11 UTC
I once killed a guy doing c2's in an active tanked diemos. He was clipping through them pretty quickly too, it took me a bit until he killed something and didn't immediately burn away from it to get a warpin and tackle on him. He did not seem to struggle on the battleship waves either while I was watching.

One of those may be worth looking into.
Spheranzinne
Color of Violence
#11 - 2013-02-27 11:54:16 UTC
Aylin Aslim wrote:
Hey,
Trying to get a solid fit for c2's.

Is Myrm. is best for this stuff?

What about naga or talos?

How much active tank do i need for them?

Thanks for responses.


dont go for tier3s. **** tank and they suck at cruisers, tell you from recent experience.
ive had some decent success with medium hybrids, be they rails or blasters. avoid the drones and the myrm, its a pain to always get the drones in while they get aggro. and they will.

250 rails are excellent. they work best on brutix, deimos and really shine on the astarte. dont mind the frigs, skirmish them with drones. webbing is not much of a problem in c2s.

as for tank, u can pull it of with high resist and single rep on gallente ships. neuting is light and some speed will also help.

have fun.
Aylin Aslim
Memintolar Tombikto
#12 - 2013-02-27 11:58:43 UTC
thanks for the advices.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2013-02-27 14:36:54 UTC
Don't thank, most of the advice in this thread quite simply terrible.

Blaster Talos has no problems whatsoever with frigs, it blaps them. Problem is tank, try ASB?

Myrmidon with MAAR+MAR will have no issues tanking C2s, use sentry drones for cruisers at range and battleships, lights for frigs. Omnidirs, some cap mods and rig and a cap booster for the moments when you need to run both reppers. Guns to taste, rails or arties for ranged dps, blasters or autos if you rather shoot frigs. I really can't see any way how a current Drake would have this much applied dps.

Rail Brutix is another option.

Hybrids reign supreme in wh pvp and high end PVE, there is no reason to waste time on training missiles. For C3s and C4s RR Domis, faction battleships and Moroses for cap escalations.

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Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#14 - 2013-02-27 15:39:15 UTC
Roime wrote:
Blaster Talos has no problems whatsoever with frigs, it blaps them. Problem is tank, try ASB?

Doh! Correct. I was thinking large rails. Large blasters are not an issue other than range on a few of the targets.
Aylin Aslim
Memintolar Tombikto
#15 - 2013-02-28 07:22:58 UTC
naga or talos?


Both have small sig radii than brutix and myrm, how much active tank do i need for them?
Feer Truelight
#16 - 2013-02-28 07:41:59 UTC
Try railgun myrm w/ webifier.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-02-28 14:38:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Rail DPS is a joke. Oh on EFT the DPS is "ok" but, the reality of tracking issues makes that DPS much less. Anyone advising you that hybrids in w-space work well......well I question their experience level.

Let me tell you a tale, que the Brady Bunch theme:

This is a story.
About 2 friends.
Who were sparring their myrm and their drake.
One of them had 4mil sp in hybrids
The other 1.5mil sp in missiles
It was a sure thing!

Mr. Kidd's friend
Flying the drake
Out DPS'd his myrm and broke his tank
Mr. Kidd couldn't figure it out
For all his skills
He finally concluded hybrids suck!

The point is not only do hybrids suck. But the difference in SP requirements is so lopsided for a subpar weapons system (hybrids) versus an adequate weapons system (missiles), it just adds insult to injury.

I still use hybrids, but not for PVE. I have a lot of SP invested in gunnery skills to the tune of 9mil sp. I'm a very highly skilled hybrid pilot with only limited projectile skilling. Had I to do it over again, it would be the other way around.

Don't ban me, bro!
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2013-02-28 15:17:46 UTC
Well that was a truly conclusive example, thanks for sharing- I'll train missiles now.



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Miningfor Tears
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-02-28 20:16:44 UTC
If you wanted to stick with the myrm and use drones, you can solo c1's and c2's well enough with a shield tanked mrym with drone damage amps and one Omni and prop mod . In the Highs I would fit a Remote armour rep (for drones), tractor and a salvager, probe and cloak, or fit Projectile turrets. (My drone skills made it so sentries were viable enough). Lights on the frigs close to you, then drop and orbit the sentries when in range. The only benefit I really see with this myrm is that it can survive in whs for an extended period of time before heading home, but its shield defence is laughable when compared to the drake and a waste of a good armour repping bonus.

But as everyone said, the drake is still a much better choice, My setup does more damage now then it did pre patch and uses less ammo. Drakes are dirt cheap and are basically the cookie cutter setup for wh pve. The benefit is your main source of dps is not constantly taking aggro from you forcing you to micro manage them, and you can fit ecm drones in your bay for when you see those combats on scan or any cloaky cloaky ship you don't like the look of. With the mrym you got to abandon drones, then get your ecm as you align and warp. ( always have them deployed if dscan comes up with enemies so they can auto aggro anything which uncloaks and attempts to tackle you, they are an last chance escape tool if you were too slow to see probes).
Jacid
The Upside Down
#20 - 2013-02-28 21:04:38 UTC
I have noticed that when i was duel boxing RR domies in c3-c4 land it seemed to draw agro away away from sentries. A sentry myrm might be worth trying only just rr your drones to keep the damage on the myrm

My 2 cents
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