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I see.

Long term health for me would be that all players have the same requirements to fly any given ship. Having players with different skills being able to fly a ship means that iterating on skill changes will be a pain and might thus end up pushing CCP into corners they do not want to be in, even more than now.
Making something harder to iterate on later due to unpredictable situations and thus harder to adapt, is bad for the health of the piece of software EVE Online is. It's basic programming 1o1 if you ask me and should thus be prevented at all cost to minimize future blockades. This is not always possible to notice in time of course, but pretty obvious in this case.

E.g. we could end up with people being able to fly all t2 cruisers, with no skillpoints at all in any racial cruiser to take it to an extreme (loosing skillpoints by being podded. Hey, we could even create e.g. freighter chars with skillpoints in nothing more than the freighter itself and advanced spaceship command 1 only, without having skillpoints in spaceship command or ORE Industrial by podding our chars to oblivion as long as we have the skillbooks injected. That is bad, because we never know what the players will do.


Edit: Pardon me, actually not possible with cruisers, because they specificly state racial cruiser 5 as primary prereq. But you could still loose the destroyer skills etc. Still unpredictable as hell.

Idiot....it takes far too long even now

Think about it a little.

Actual logistics is not a popular field to get into in nullsec.

You don't have vast armies of players chomping at the bit to resupply your POS's and fly freighters back and forth to empire space. Even your major alliances, with thousands of members, can count up those who do this stuff pretty fast and easily. Drop that to a lesser alliance or small "renter" corp and you may just shut them down completely with such a change.

How? Let's look at it.

First, as you say; Jump Freighters is a 'generic' T2 skill.
-- Industry V
-- Advanced Spaceship Command V

The individual hulls of the JF's have requirements. Example; the Gallente Anshar Jump Freighter.
-- Gallente Freighters IV
-- Jump Freighters I
-- Jump Drive Calibration I

Ok... Now you suggest changing the Gallente Freighters from IV to V ?

Adjusting skill trees can work. Change the hull requirements outside of the skill-trees and it doesn't work with that stated goal. Not without giving away the missing skill level to keep them flying what they already can - with a "still fly what you can..." stated goal for these changes.

The training time on this, with +5 implants and mapped optimally is over 32 days -- without the ability to fly your JF supply ship? Oh this will go over really well with a smaller group trying to survive out there...

No I don't think they want to give away over 2.1 million SP by granting a free L5 skill-up to those pilots for "purity sake" to retain that theme of being "still fly what you can..."

Where they are at with this, it makes sense to avoid such a problem for now. It's the kind of thing to revisit later on - after reviewing how to "fix" logistics issues in nullsec (and other such locations that a JF is used).

So Summer 2013 starts Friday, June 21. Can we count on this date as being the "no sooner than" point for the patch? Then once summer hits the date for the change is fair game. Any new information on this front?

- KR

ok not reading 48 pages for this...

woohoo another update, its not like we dont have enough of them

Would love to see a Phoenix buff, so it can at least hit a damn target going over 3 m/s, making it actually useful other than station bashing.

You'll get:
Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente Battlecruisers 5. With no Amarr Battlecruiser, as you can't currently fly any.


You'll also get Caldari Destroyers 5. With no others as you don't have any of the racial frigates.




assuming you mean, by null, that you have them at 0.

Although you can't, if you have Minmatar and gallente cruiser injected. As they require the racial frigate at 4.

Of course, this is fully detailed in the devblog.

FFS...

Wanna get all racial detroyers at V? train all racial firgs to III.

Wanna get all racial BC at V? train all racial cruisers to III.

And what do you need to train racial cruisers? Racial frig at IV.

I am sure that was just some kind of typo of yours, since you will need a racial destroyer at level 3 to be able to inject the correspondent racial cruiser.