EVE General Discussion

Isn't this fantastic? If it's not the wealth, but the security - then let's nerf highsec PvE until highsec's reward is consistent with highsec's risk. The players who absolutely refuse to leave highsec and the safety of CONCORD can stay there and do as they please, while other players who are motivated by rewards and funtimes will finally have a reason to leave CONCORD's embrace, once highsec doesn't offer a risk-reward ratio that eclipses everywhere else in New Eden.

probably would for silly money.

the problem with mining in low or null security space is that a single person in local is probably going to kill you, b2b alignment speed that can't even beat CONCORD arrival in highsec. or you've got the venture which is fast aligning but can't tank or kill rats for ****.

so basically you don;t want to do that solo.

Oh. Well, would adding that obtaining Zydrine only requires ONE jump into low sec make it any less so?

YK

you forgot to include "because thousands of players are working together" in your post

WH space would like a word with you.

No because ore/m3 is the metric used to mining value, not the isk value per unit of mineral.

And going by that metric, we can see that the most common nullsec grav site ore, Spodumain, is worth only a third of the value of Scordite per mining cycle.

Scordite also outvalues Crokite, the main roid to go for Zydrine, for value per mining cycle.

The profits of nullsec mining measure at around +27% for the trouble (of being killable at any time, building, capturing and defending stations and opportunity cost of doing such), not 15,000% as you were asserting.

That's because there are too many null miners and they are flooding the market with cheap zydrine. Hi-sec mining doesn't really have much impact on it because you can't get it in hi-sec. The reason hi-sec ores are so high is because there are too few hi-sec miners. If they mined more the price would go down. That should be obvious.

*edit: Scordite used to be garbage.

But it will push risk takers to actually go out into the risky areas. You see, one thing you gotta remember about risk takers, a lot of them take those risks because its worthwhile. However right now you have large risk taking alliances telling their members NOT to do industry in null sec. Not because of the risk, but because they're better off producing in high sec as a whole.

In theory, superveld wouldn't devalue it too much due to if enough miners are out in null sec, you'll have a loooot more pirates... so the increase would be counteracted by more destruction.

I'd like to bring up the point that Eve is a (relatively) free market economy that naturally brings high-demand materials down in price as the supply increases. It's safe to say that the longer Eve exists, the cheaper the original *rare* minerals and items will be.

This whole Zydrine discussion is odd, as everyone is discussing whether or not it would be worthwhile to leave highsec if Zydrine were more expensive, or if Null was profitable in general... it's not like the devs are going to introduce a price ceiling on anything.

The reason Null isn't insanely profitable anymore isn't because of some fault of the devs, it's because years and years of free market balancing (and massive nullsec alliances streamlining logistics of nullsec mining) have driven the prices down to the point where it's not really that different from high sec space anymore.

You yourselves are the reason null isn't as profitable as you'd like anymore. You've exhausted it. You've streamlined it, you've made it easy and decreased everything to it's lowest possible point of resistance to the point where it won't go down anymore, and then you turn around and look at hi-sec and realize you've ruined your own profits.

It's called the Invisible Hand: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_hand

Yeah we've got lots of inflation, but that's basic economics, people. That's not a problem or a fault of CPP. The only real way to keep this moving along and fun for us is to introduce new materials and components that are initially high in value, and then decrease as supply expands.

The introduction of things like Planetary Interaction materials, new materials and components in sleeper WH space is testament to the fact that CPP knows this.

I'm a high-sec player who dabbles with PI in null (because the risk is worth it, duh, CPP understands these things), but largely just enjoys his time in eve casually with an RL friend. I've been in three Nullsec alliances and hated the experience each time. I don't fancy being pushed out to the gate camps of nullsec because a few influential players don't understand the mechanisms of the free market.