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Hardcore Exploration Ships
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iKill Giants
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-02-27 21:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: iKill Giants
At the lower end of exploration, it's easy enough to have a flexible ship that can fit the modules you need for the sites you find, sometimes fitting all of them at once and still being able to clear the rats that spawn. I like doing this, I enjoy not having to use a separate scanning and complex ship. It saves time and allows more "exploration" in the sense that you can just jump into a wormhole/new system and get going.

But higher end exploration, nullsec and wormhole sites, make this a lot trickier. The amount of rats that spawn and the amount of DPS needed to clear them ramps up significantly, and shield tanks almost fall out of the realm of possibility if you can't fit it into 3 slots, if you want to keep everything you need on one ship.

There are enough ships out there that can handle the rats that (<)C3 wormholes and mag/radar/deadspace sites spawn and have a midslot/hislot to spare for a couple exploration modules. I'm not asking for help fitting those, I'm flying them now, with a scanning ship, and I'm looking for something better.

The only ship I've found that can fit a:

  • Probe Launcher
  • Salvager
  • Analyzer
  • Codebreaker

all at the same time, while still having good damage (~500 DPS) and tank (300-500 depending on speed), is the Legion.
I'm wondering if there are any other ships that can do this as well, and while I'm considering training for a Legion I'm currently all Minmatar and Gallente skills and am wondering if there's anything else that can do what a Legion can do.

The Fit (minimal):

[Legion, Purity]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Imperial Navy Medium Armor Repairer

Codebreaker I
Analyzer I
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Salvager I
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Rusko Valarian
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-02-27 22:58:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Rusko Valarian
to be fair, i dont REALLY know a hell of a lot.

But with my experience in exploration (the occasional wormhole, when Im feeling daring enough) I dont see the point in fitting your analysers/codebreakers prior to finding a site + clearing the rats.

find the site, clear the rats effectively - then head back and fit the approprite modules.

Otherwise it's literally a dead slot.

But I mean, you ARE speaking "Hardcore" exploration, so might be slightly different, I guess.

[EDIT] - Absolutely sexy fit for that legion though.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2013-02-27 23:23:39 UTC
Drone Proteus can do that but with more dps that also deals with frigs much better, more range and has a free highslot for cloak.

I wouldn't fly that anywhere near neuts though.

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#4 - 2013-02-27 23:34:35 UTC
Armor active tank pilgram or curse may also work. Damage is through drones.

Additionally, there is the Gila. Shield tank, so you may have to dock to switch between code breaker and analyzer, but otherwise all good.

Honestly, I use to use a drake. 6 launchers, probe, and salvager in highs, tank and code breaker in mids. I usually skipped prop mod, and tank/dps mods in the lows. Good for hi, some low, and wormholes up to c2.
iKill Giants
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-02-27 23:46:15 UTC
Roime wrote:
Drone Proteus can do that but with more dps that also deals with frigs much better, more range and has a free highslot for cloak.

I wouldn't fly that anywhere near neuts though.



I've been gone a few months, ever flown Gallente at the cruiser level, not sure how well blasters vs rails w/drones is. Any more pointers as to the Drone Prot? Use 4 sentries? Mixed large/med/small sentries? Rails or blasters? etc.
Clara Stewart
Stewart Collections
#6 - 2013-02-27 23:58:06 UTC
I like hardcore.
Leetha Layne
#7 - 2013-02-28 00:14:15 UTC
Being "hardcore" and all, what do you plan on doing when you are scanned down by other players? Also, Sleepers require a different tack than k-space NPCs.

Now if this setup is strictly for high-sec you will be fine.
Vegine
Sphere Foundation
#8 - 2013-02-28 00:14:28 UTC
Drone Porteus holds 2 sets of 4 sentries , most likely warden and Garde and 5 smalls to fill up the 225m^3 drone bay.
Armor and speed tank, obviously.



Damage is around 600dps, which is ample enough. Main point is no worries about ammo and selectable damage types (Heat and Kin will cover most situations nicely) which is very good for long solo campaign, but it can be a pain if you lose a drone which means perma lose of dps until you replenish.



I would not try to mount more than 1 turret for aggro pulling purpose. Your lows will be filled with drone dmg mods and tank. Free slots can fit cloak, drone link mods and salvager etc easy.

All in all I consider it an okay lazy setup, but it does fit your criteria of all-in-one exploration nicely.All factors concerned probably the best choice for what you described.
iKill Giants
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-02-28 00:21:09 UTC  |  Edited by: iKill Giants
Vegine wrote:

Drone Porteus holds 2 sets of 4 sentries , most likely warden and Garde and 5 smalls to fill up the 225m^3 drone bay.
Armor and speed tank, obviously.



Damage is around 600dps, which is ample enough. Main point is no worries about ammo and selectable damage types (Heat and Kin will cover most situations nicely) which is very good for long solo campaign, but it can be a pain if you lose a drone which means perma lose of dps until you replenish.



I would not try to mount more than 1 turret for aggro pulling purpose. Your lows will be filled with drone dmg mods and tank. Free slots can fit cloak, drone link mods and salvager etc easy.

All in all I consider it an okay lazy setup, but it does fit your criteria of all-in-one exploration nicely.All factors concerned probably the best choice for what you described.


I figured something like this, it'd be nice to have a cloak so I don't have to bounce between four safespots and dscan every two seconds. I'm also a lot closer to a Proteus than a Legion, so I'd more likely than not do this.
iKill Giants
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-02-28 01:28:41 UTC  |  Edited by: iKill Giants
[Proteus, Droneboat]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Imperial Navy Armor Explosive Hardener
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer

Cap Recharger II
Codebreaker II
Analyzer II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge
Medium 'Arup' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium Remote Hull Repair System I
Improved Cloaking Device II
Salvager II
Expanded Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor


Garde II x4
Warden II x4
Warrior II x5



I'll let you tear apart this beautiful disaster of a fit. 300 omnitank, 528 DPS drones only, cap stable, and if I'm understanding aggro mechanics correctly 1 civilian railgun should work. I'd rather not have to worry about running out of ammo. Obv aggro draw won't work on Sleepers very well, my main concern with this fit is frigates, Sleeper and otherwise.

Reppers are for drones.
Cloak is for safety.
Grav capacitor subsystem is for the slots it gives and also the rest of the propulsion systems are almost as ****.
Launcher and salvager for exploration.
More faction mods could be added but they don't seem to do too much for the cost.
Vegine
Sphere Foundation
#11 - 2013-02-28 03:27:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Vegine
[Proteus, New Setup 2]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Armor plates II
Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer

Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Analyzer II
Codebreaker II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Improved Cloaking Device II
Salvager II
Expanded Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Civilian Light Electron Blaster, Civilian Blaster Charge
Drone Link Augmenter II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor


Garde II x4
Ogre II x4
Hobgoblin II x5




Garde II x4
Ogre II x4
Hobgoblin II x5

534 heat damage, good against most rats except angles...
cap stable if not activating the remote repper on drones

interesting about a 1600 plate and aug plating sub is, it grants you about 11.000 extra hp as opposed to about 20 extra damage repaired per sec. which would take 10 minutes of running repair none stop to make up the difference while giving you a large buffer to GTFO should things goes wrong.

Also interesting is Proteus localized injector -75%cap on ALL microwarp and afterburner including 100mn ones. worth exploring possible speed tank a little if you ask me

not really good stats stats but prob the best you'll get out of any hull for 0 ammo, all-in-one long campaign exploration boat. Just remember to paranoid spam Dscan and be sure to scream like a baby while you wrap away from baddies cuz without even ecm drones you are toast if caught :P