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What ever happened to Tesselation?

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Jim Luc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#141 - 2013-02-27 21:18:46 UTC
Karash Amerius wrote:
CCP hasn't even addressed the horrid performance hit when visiting grids that have space clouds (dust, whatever)...but here we are asking for the world.

DX11 would fix this little issue, right?
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#142 - 2013-02-27 21:54:43 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
I want to start getting into water cooling but Im's scared to do so at the moment. Really no need right now since I dont mess with overclocking all that much.



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A simple V8 cooling fan is enough for a good +20% OC, bit noisy but looks cool and does it's job perfectly.

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Jules Wynnfield
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#143 - 2013-02-28 00:06:08 UTC
CCP Mankiller wrote:
Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...


When I read this I was all like huh?

I had remembered watching the EVE fanfest video on tessellation where Tony Tamasi, NVIDIA’s Senior Vice President of Content & Technology, and CCP’s Halldor Fannar presented the new demo.

I also remembered what card was quoted as most popular, "... the demo was in fact running on a GeForce GTX 560, the most commonly used graphics card in EVE Online."
Source: nVidia.com

It is known in the gaming industry that content drives hardware sale, hence why the likes of companies such as nVidia get behind developers to promote new features such as this.

So my question to CCP is, where is this new development up to now?

♫ When I think about you, I touch myself ♫ - Divinyls 1991
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#144 - 2013-02-28 00:24:37 UTC
Jules Wynnfield wrote:

So my question to CCP is, where is this new development up to now?


Seems they want people up upgrade before working on it. Kind of backwards thinking imo. Personally i'll never upgrade anything without a good reason too.

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Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#145 - 2013-02-28 00:25:57 UTC
CCP Mankiller wrote:
Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...

Don't look at me. I'm on 64 bit Windows 7.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#146 - 2013-02-28 00:41:37 UTC
CCP Mankiller wrote:
WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!

It's time to upgrade, people. Every other version of Windows sucks and I skip them myself. I stayed on XP until 7 came out. 8 is out already though and you have no excuse for not upgrading by now. You can probably even get a copy of 7 on ebay or something for cheap.

CCP Mankiller wrote:
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
CCP Mankiller wrote:
WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!


Yeah, to be totally honest I was one of those folks who hung on to Win2K until just about everyone dropped support for it. Only switched to XP in late 2006 for Company of Heroes.


Aha! So everyone who wants tessellation: put a bounty on this guy! TwistedEvil

Done.

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Jules Wynnfield
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#147 - 2013-02-28 00:44:12 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Jules Wynnfield wrote:

So my question to CCP is, where is this new development up to now?


Seems they want people up upgrade before working on it. Kind of backwards thinking imo. Personally i'll never upgrade anything without a good reason too.


Would you then upgrade for tessellation?

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Logix42
Taxation Damnation
#148 - 2013-02-28 00:49:46 UTC
2015 is probably a good guess for tesselation

As of April 8, 2014 Windows XP will no longer be supported so that aught to kill it (maybe)
Source: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#149 - 2013-02-28 01:05:47 UTC
Logix42 wrote:
2015 is probably a good guess for tesselation

As of April 8, 2014 Windows XP will no longer be supported so that aught to kill it (maybe)
Source: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx


That's still around? Shocked

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#150 - 2013-02-28 01:31:58 UTC
Iam still using windows xp and i dont think i will upgrade for some graphics improvement. I play low graphics its not about the graphics its about the gameplay. I like to have a lag free game then a shiny bugged lag fest game. I dont see why people want that upgrade its have no point to use in gameplay except its shiny. People want more graphics and worst gameplay. The offer more lag for pc stress the pc more. Cost more power and you need to pay more for the bills. And the time the need to make it possible, the can do better work on expands or better stuff than some graphics that i dont need. Or anyone except for people that want shiny ships.

Just a view of opinion thats what peopel think 10 years ago.

I have 2xHD5970 thats eating eve online over 900fps if full open. So even if the upgrade its will not do any harm for my cards.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2013-02-28 07:00:38 UTC
CCP Mankiller wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I am a graphics programmer, I love everything new. But statistics show that only ~50% of the players run dx11-ready systems. So we don't want to shut them out for this


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was possible to disable settings if necessary. I know there are a lot of games you can run in either DX10 or DX11, so what's the problem here with doing that?
Hannah Flex
#152 - 2013-02-28 07:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Hannah Flex
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Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
Prepare to be Boarded
#153 - 2013-03-03 14:49:12 UTC
Ducking Peasants Ruining my eye candy, stop spoiling it for the rest of us. go outside rob and old lady and save up for some new Kit. Because quite frankly your pissing me off Evil

We are PC gamers, we upgrade and customize that is what we do. if all the people who would not like to upgrade and tinker with there rigs would go back to consoles that would be great thank you Lol

Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2013-03-03 15:10:20 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
CCP Mankiller wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I am a graphics programmer, I love everything new. But statistics show that only ~50% of the players run dx11-ready systems. So we don't want to shut them out for this


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was possible to disable settings if necessary. I know there are a lot of games you can run in either DX10 or DX11, so what's the problem here with doing that?

two different sets of shaders = much more work.

It's not just "switching on/off a feature".
Hersir Fylgjur
Anima Liberator
#155 - 2013-03-03 15:55:44 UTC
I like that EVE runs on my old PCs. I have 3 accounts right now and I play at 3 locations. I have no problems paying (working) to afford 3 accounts but buying 2 new PCs and a new notebook for this game is a no-go.

IMO: Downgrade graphics. Give us more possibilities to reduce quality to use more clients on older PCs and more important: Give us a client so small it would run on an Android mobile.

In beautiful EVE here is absolutely no need at all for brightening up any graphics.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#156 - 2013-03-03 15:59:57 UTC
Hannah Flex wrote:
How is that dude gonna keep multiboxing 100 Mackinaw pilots if CCP moves to a DX11 client? Evil


CCP could maintain a 2nd non graphical client so we can all run 100 alts. Twisted

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Josef Djugashvilis
#157 - 2013-03-03 16:17:48 UTC
Jules Wynnfield wrote:
CCP Mankiller wrote:
Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...


When I read this I was all like huh?

I had remembered watching the EVE fanfest video on tessellation where Tony Tamasi, NVIDIA’s Senior Vice President of Content & Technology, and CCP’s Halldor Fannar presented the new demo.

I also remembered what card was quoted as most popular, "... the demo was in fact running on a GeForce GTX 560, the most commonly used graphics card in EVE Online."
Source: nVidia.com

It is known in the gaming industry that content drives hardware sale, hence why the likes of companies such as nVidia get behind developers to promote new features such as this.

So my question to CCP is, where is this new development up to now?


If Eve had say, 100 players and 10 of them use the 560 and the other 90 all use 90 (lesser) different types of card, then the 560 is the most commonly used, but it is not used enough to justify upgrading the graphic card requirements of the game.

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Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
Prepare to be Boarded
#158 - 2013-03-03 16:28:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Stan'din
Hersir Fylgjur wrote:
I like that EVE runs on my old PCs. I have 3 accounts right now and I play at 3 locations. I have no problems paying (working) to afford 3 accounts but buying 2 new PCs and a new notebook for this game is a no-go.

IMO: Downgrade graphics. Give us more possibilities to reduce quality to use more clients on older PCs and more important: Give us a client so small it would run on an Android mobile.

In beautiful EVE here is absolutely no need at all for brightening up any graphics.




My point exactly you do realise your holding everyone back, your actually preventing us with decent PC's from playing a game which should look as awesome as it plays.

like i said above if you want to play games and not bother about upgrading go play on a 350 or PS3 but games need to expand and improve graphically and technically to be able to survive and keep getting NEW PLAYERS in

In order for EVE to survive it needs fresh blood and not upgrading graphics will not attract new players. so you sir are actually destroying the game you love. How does this make you feel ? bad i hope i hope you now feel the need to go spend some money and upgrade .

Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2013-03-03 16:33:27 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
Iam still using windows xp and i dont think i will upgrade for some graphics improvement. I play low graphics its not about the graphics its about the gameplay. I like to have a lag free game then a shiny bugged lag fest game. I dont see why people want that upgrade its have no point to use in gameplay except its shiny. People want more graphics and worst gameplay. The offer more lag for pc stress the pc more. Cost more power and you need to pay more for the bills. And the time the need to make it possible, the can do better work on expands or better stuff than some graphics that i dont need. Or anyone except for people that want shiny ships.

Just a view of opinion thats what peopel think 10 years ago.

I have 2xHD5970 thats eating eve online over 900fps if full open. So even if the upgrade its will not do any harm for my cards.

its more than JUST shiny graphics dude, their are alot of things they can do with DX11 capable computeres that they CANT do with DX10 or below.

but you just go ahead and keep using your archaic computing engine, when everyone else has moved on and your left in the dust, no one will miss you aside from a "your stuff, can i haz"
Domer Pyle
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#160 - 2013-03-03 17:04:34 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
Iam still using windows xp and i dont think i will upgrade for some graphics improvement. I play low graphics its not about the graphics its about the gameplay. I like to have a lag free game then a shiny bugged lag fest game. I dont see why people want that upgrade its have no point to use in gameplay except its shiny. People want more graphics and worst gameplay. The offer more lag for pc stress the pc more. Cost more power and you need to pay more for the bills. And the time the need to make it possible, the can do better work on expands or better stuff than some graphics that i dont need. Or anyone except for people that want shiny ships.

Just a view of opinion thats what peopel think 10 years ago.

I have 2xHD5970 thats eating eve online over 900fps if full open. So even if the upgrade its will not do any harm for my cards.


wait...eve has gameplay? wut?

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