EVE New Citizens Q&A

As we know, corps can only tax their members' mission bounty income. No tax on income from sale of items, mining, player bounties, or any other source of income.

This creates an unbalanced tax burden on the corp mission runners. Corp members like me who just do invention, manufacturing, trading and PVP make isk that's never taxed. Does anyone know the game design/game mechanics reason for this? There must be one.

I hate taxes, so when I became CEO, I set the tax rate to 0%.

As the corp still needed ISK to operate, I then got all the members to pay a lump sum.

After that, members donated to the corp as needed, and as much as they were willing to.

Sell something

You will see a tax payment to Secure something in your wallet

The game only taxes income from bounties and mission rewards because all the other stuff isn't taxable.

How can the game know what income you make from mining, if people keep half the minerals fro own production it will give false tax income...

Or they will trade it to an out of corp alt to do the selling for them =)

EDIT:

2013.02.27 20:15:28 Transaction Tax -150,03 ISK 259.003.651,75 ISK Sales tax paid to the SCC
2013.02.27 20:15:28 Market Transaction 10.001,80 ISK 259.003.801,78 ISK Market: sabrinaone bought stuff from < my alt >
2013.02.27 20:15:28 Brokers Fee -100,02 ISK 258.993.799,98 ISK Market order commission to broker authorized by: < my alt >
2013.02.27 20:15:22 Brokers Fee -700,00 ISK 258.993.900,00 ISK Market order commission to broker authorized by: < my alt >

Hmz...just sold some stuff and put up a sell order for other things on my alt...It is clearly taxed by the SCC (aka ISK sink).

Right, that tax is going to an NPC corp, not the seller's player corp. (Being a semi-RP dork, I like to imagine it funds CONCORD).
But I still can't think of a game mechanics reason why corps can only tax mission-running activities.

Like said...MIners don't generate money...neither does your invention itself

It's the selling that does...and no way to **** up the entire economy by taxing selling cause there is no way to see what profit they gain out of it...

You clearly didn't think it through and should seriously more look at how your corporation works.

My previous corp I was in did have a Ore buy back system where the corp would buy ore for Jita - corp tax % price...And most (if not all) miners used it, so that they contributed to the corp.

If your miners etc. don't contribute to the corp, then ask if they want to by sending some ISK themself...if not, make mandatory mining ops where all ore (and thus profit) goes to corp. But if we have to point that kinds of stuff out to you, good luck with the corp.

Oooh, you want to use the POS labs...It will cost you "x" ISK/hour to use them...is income from a non mission runner.

As there are plenty of ways to tax the non mission runners. The lack of seeing it doesn't mean the game is wrong, it's your vision.

OP said he was officer of a player corp and that makes this an forum alt...which already means I'm not very willing to help

The reason is that if corps can put a tax in the market transactions of their members, then that doesn't just mean that they get a share whenever mission runner members sell their loot and salvage. It will greatly hurt those corp members who are traders by profession, because any such tax will cut into their profit margins. Say I can buy minerals for 20 million ISK, and build some stuff which I then sell for 20.5 million ISK. My profit is 2.5%. If I have to pay 0.1 million ISK in sales tax to my corp, then my profit drops from 0.5 million to 0.4 million, or from 2.5% to 2%.

And keep in mind, I've invested lots of ISK into being able to build this stuff. I've bought Blueprint Originals, which I've then spent time and money to improve with research. Those 2.5%, which your proposal might reduce to 2%, aren't really profit per se. They're the return on a long-term investment that I've made. I spent a lot of ISK setting up this production business, and now the business is paying dividends.

A corporate sales tax would hugely educe those dividends, meaning that the time it takes me to re-coup my investment (say, 3 billion ISK) might get drastically increased, maybe (just to throw a random figure on the table) from 14 months to 40 months.



Of course there is a solution, which is to set the possible range of the corporate sales tax very low, so that it's only a tiny fraction of a percent. Even an amateur trader like myself has a turnover of maybe a dozen billion ISK per month. 0.1% of that in corporate tax would be 12 million ISK. I'd still consider 0.1% to be a high tax, so my preference would be for player corps to be allowed to adjust corporate tax in 0.005% increments, to a maximum of, say, 0.25%.

Be glad you can tax even the mission runners. Theyre usually the one that jump the ship fastest when wardeck hits.. This ismy experience...

No seriously, market transaction are not subject to corporation taxes, becouse that would kill trade in eve, leading to only npc doing market orders anymore... None is going to do trades if theres nothing but loss to gain there..

Nothing there prevents you to ask members of corporation to donate isk, some of their time to activities in order to gain some iskies to corporation.

miners? Just ask them to donate some ore to corp. Heck you could setup mining ship loan program just for this

I have had privledge to lead small corp in past for a while. It was newer problem to come up new ways to gain isk or other resources from members... It was much more difficult to figure out ways corporation could provide also benefits to members in balanced matter.

Corp tax on market orders would be beyond trivial to evade; I am in your corp; I sell all my stuff to my 1-man corp market alt for 1 ISK; your corp collects tax on 1 ISK.

OP, nope there's no way of doing this within the current system (as silly as it is) apart from setting up your own system. Depending on how much the corp spends for its members (not all corps need higher tax) There's an easy way of contributing.

Set tax to 0 and have every member pay a monthly fee based on his SP, possibly with a multiplier that's agreed to based how much much the corp actually needs to spend. So a 1 mil SP newbie pays 1 mil x multiplier and a 20 mil SP one 20x multiplier, etc etc. It's probably the easiest and most "honest" way of doing it. It only works with relatively small corps ofcourse.





p.s. J: less rage and more reading the OP :)