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What ever happened to Tesselation?

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#121 - 2012-12-21 16:04:15 UTC
The more powerful your graphics card, the closer you can zoom into your ship during fights. Being able to put the camera on the enemy ship(s) and adjust your flight path for maximum traversal is pretty darned useful.

That is why people buy the high end video cards Lol

But seriously, better video cards mean you can have more characters in your multi boxing drake fleet.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2012-12-21 16:34:27 UTC
Mistress Motion wrote:

So, again i want to ask. Why do we need DX11 support RIGHT NOW? Even the engine speed wouldn't be that much better, at least without huge workload of re-writing the whole thing and models.


The impressive part of the Tess demo wasn't so much the increased visual detail of the ship, rather the realistic physics of the asteroids breaking up and impacts on the ship. That has so much potential.

Make it so CCP.

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Zaito Uzamakai
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#123 - 2012-12-21 16:58:49 UTC
Moonaura wrote:
CCP Mankiller wrote:
Moonaura wrote:
So basically CCP, you trolled us. Shocked

Many games are coming out non XP in the next year. Really, this is the last year of XP. And no, you can't point at a concrete block and say, that is why, and say its pointless, when your own freaking demo at fanfest showed exactly why it wasn't pointless.

Remember the crowd cheering for it? Remember people saying they wanted it?

Right now the capitals look awful. I'm sure they might get improved at some point, but at this size, detail makes things look bigger than they actually are. Making stuff just larger with bad textures doesn't make them really feel all that big frankly. They are just filling more screen real estate.



I agree: the capitals DO look awful. Trust me, the V3-project will make them look a lot better... (release: around summer 2013)

But: dx11 doesn't make something "just look better", you have to use dx11 features! And that takes dev time...


Thanks for being cool enough to reply Mankiller. I figured that the capitals would get the V3 treatment at some point. I'd like to see a big polygon increase as well as just textures, and maybe them being redesigned with this in mind.

And one day, maybe the Typhoon won't look like a garbage collection lorry. Dreams are made of this :)


Yes but... that's a minmatar ship!!! They are supposed to look like garbage lorries!!
Mistress Motion
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2012-12-21 21:16:22 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Mistress Motion wrote:

So, again i want to ask. Why do we need DX11 support RIGHT NOW? Even the engine speed wouldn't be that much better, at least without huge workload of re-writing the whole thing and models.


The impressive part of the Tess demo wasn't so much the increased visual detail of the ship, rather the realistic physics of the asteroids breaking up and impacts on the ship. That has so much potential.

Make it so CCP.


An that really has nothing to do with 11 or tess. Since the smaller asteroids are moving independently, i don't see any use of geometry shaders in that, but rather just spawn new meshes at the impact. Can't really see what game mechanics could allow ships to break asteroids either, but I do agree that it looked pretty nice.
Alec Stacer
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#125 - 2012-12-22 03:07:06 UTC
okst666 wrote:
make it optional then.



impossible, if collision is based on models generated by tesselation, it has to be game wide. otherwise I could get somewhere you could'nt or vice versa.
Josef Djugashvilis
#126 - 2013-02-27 16:51:32 UTC
CCP Mankiller wrote:
WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!


Do it the Eve way.

Hire some Merc's.

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#127 - 2013-02-27 17:12:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Lapine Davion
CCP Mankiller wrote:
WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!


Not to be inflammatory, but as a tech support person, I can't stand the die hard WinXP people. It's like refusing to upgrade to an AK because it isn't your muzzle-loading musket.

Alec Stacer wrote:
okst666 wrote:
make it optional then.



impossible, if collision is based on models generated by tessellation, it has to be game wide. otherwise I could get somewhere you couldn't or vice versa.


I really can't see how tessellation would be a problem. It doesn't change the base geometry for an object so much that this capability wouldn't be possible with the models the way they are. All it does is basically apply a candy coat to the base geometry.

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#128 - 2013-02-27 17:18:49 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
CCP Mankiller wrote:
WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!


Not to be inflammatory, but as a tech support person, I can't stand the die hard WinXP people. It's like refusing to upgrade to an AK because it isn't your muzzle-loading musket.


Heh I look forward to the next certificate exploit or other super virus that requires OS modification.
Then people will have to upgrade.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#129 - 2013-02-27 17:37:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tom Gerard
CCP Mankiller wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I am a graphics programmer, I love everything new. But statistics show that only ~50% of the players run dx11-ready systems. So we don't want to shut them out for this


BOO! way to mis-represent the technology, in full brightness tessellation is hard to notice, however under darker "SPACE LIKE" lighting conditions with strong sources "SUNS" the difference is obvious.

Lazy posting by CCP of a article written by a moron grasping at straws.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Feng Chow
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2013-02-27 19:09:23 UTC
CCP Mankiller wrote:
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
ALSO. How does CCP know what kind of machine we use?


Go to 1:39!



You almost got me in trouble at work, that clip made me laugh pretty loudly!
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#131 - 2013-02-27 19:27:34 UTC
To Hell with Tessalation.... more WiS ! ! !

And pastries ! I expect fresh pastries delivered to my "CQ" each morning, and my slippers ! ! !

Folks want to hump roids, then get in a damn barge and hump away !

Blink

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Tarpedo
Incursionista
#132 - 2013-02-27 19:35:24 UTC
I see removing all resources from WiS didn't make EVE "expansions" any better or faster or bigger.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#133 - 2013-02-27 19:49:07 UTC
I'm just pissed that my pixel-given right to be a digital "lounge lizard", with red velvet smoking jacket, lava lamps and martini's, has been subverted by all this "DUST" crap. BlinkBlink


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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#134 - 2013-02-27 19:50:59 UTC
CCP Mankiller wrote:
Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...



While you guys are at it, make it so I can play with Win8? *cough*

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#135 - 2013-02-27 20:01:57 UTC
CCP Mankiller wrote:
WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!


And it will never die because of companies not willing to be bothered doing so, until the day many more customers with better and recent OS's can't play the game at least for as long as I can't, and will leave because you don't give us the choice.

Paying for a product you can't do whatever with is rather stupid, this is how I feel for about 2 months now where even a single anom in high sec might cost me whatever ship.
Loosing ships is fun when you play the game, hell even with TIDI, but not because of freeze lags and crashes not getting fixed.

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Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2013-02-27 20:02:22 UTC
I gots:
ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-3770K Quad-Core Processor 3.5 GHz 8 MB
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Corsair Vengeance Blue 16 GB
ASUS GTX680-DC2-4GD5 (x2)
ASUS PCI-Express x1 Sound Card XONAR ESSENCE STX/90-YAA0C0-0UAN00Z
OCZ Agility 4
Seagate ST1000DM003 Barracuda 1TB Hard Drive - 7200RPM, 64MB, SATA 6Gb/s
Lite-On iHBS11204 12x Internal Blu-Ray Burner
Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced
Corsair Professional Series AX 1200 Watt Digital ATX/EPS Modular 80 PLUS Platinum (AX1200i)

Is it overkill? Yup
Is it expensive? Yup

But I put it together myself, and had fun doing it. I have alot of disposable income so, yea.

Funny enough, I got the 17 for like 220 bucks. I want to start getting into water cooling but Im's scared to do so at the moment. Really no need right now since I dont mess with overclocking all that much.

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CCP Stillman
C C P
C C P Alliance
#137 - 2013-02-27 20:12:33 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:

Is it overkill? Yup.


Seems about right in my eyes for a new machine. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

Nice rig though Cool

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Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
#138 - 2013-02-27 20:13:03 UTC
Lets use everyones number one come back.


Release DX11 client, then everyone will have to "Adapt" if they can't then they just are not worthy to play EVE Online.
Now I am a true forumer
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2013-02-27 20:39:42 UTC
The project was hard so it was scrapped due to being depressing Straight

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Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#140 - 2013-02-27 20:40:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Karash Amerius
CCP hasn't even addressed the horrid performance hit when visiting grids that have space clouds (dust, whatever)...but here we are asking for the world.

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka