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Wardec v.s. Bot Miner Corp

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0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#41 - 2013-02-27 17:46:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Why do you want to gank the bots? They provide cheap minerals for you, Snip. Encouraging botting is not allowed. -- ISD LackOfFaith

I'd rather not have bots in the game and I'd like to see war dec's fixed so the defenders can not simply drop corps but none of these things are going to happen as CCP is not willing to lose paying customers such as botters and high sec war dodge bears.

Snip. Botting is against the EULA, and encouraging rule-breaking behavior (such as botting) is against the ToS. -- ISD LackOfFaith
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#42 - 2013-02-27 17:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Dante Uisen wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
wardecs are a joke


didn't ccp mention something about their vision of wardecs and hi-sec corporations, was that the war should be mutual.


I think they meant wars are already mutual in that no fighting occurs unless both sides stay in their respective corps and undock.

Edit: Given that CCP has gotten good at finding bots and these have not been banned, there is a good chance it was just one player running them manually, or perhaps with Isboxer.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#43 - 2013-02-27 18:46:40 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
[quote=Rex Aparte]The purpose of war decs is to let me fight anyone I want even in highsec. Be that because they're botters, or because they're part of the logistics for null sec operations, or because they insulted me, or because of any other reason at all.

The point of war decs is to let you fight someone. That's it. You can be butthurt if someone targets "weak" corps, but thats up to them - it is not, as you incorrectly imply - missing the "point" of war decs. It's absolutely on point.

War decs have and should not have a requirement to be "fair fights", or mutually agreed upon, despite what some themeparking idiots (including the odd csm member or ccp dev) says.


This is incorrect, read the definition. Wars are between corp and alliance entities not players.


With the new Wardec Pricing model, CCP has explicitly stated that wardecs are about buying targets.

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#44 - 2013-02-27 19:13:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
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Cleaned up the thread according to the above rules.

Additionally, I would like to draw your attention to the following clauses in the EULA and ToS:

EULA wrote:

6.A.3 You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.


ToS wrote:

29. You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE Online’s game service or web site.


Botting is not allowed. Encouraging and supporting it is also not allowed.

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EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#45 - 2013-02-27 19:45:19 UTC
this post is just a reminder that every time you dodge a wardec you are forcing your style of gameplay on others without them having any sort of recourse
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#46 - 2013-02-27 19:49:47 UTC
dear all new players:

if i, a three year old grizzled veteran with 3 accounts and a spreadsheet screw you over by making your preferred way to play the game essentially worthless then you're going to have to take the standings hit and be forced out of highsec eventually in order to get revenge

~deal with it~
Whitehound
#47 - 2013-02-27 20:13:54 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
this post is just a reminder that every time you dodge a wardec you are forcing your style of gameplay on others without them having any sort of recourse

Nonsense. You are demanding a war and then fail to understand the meaning of a surrender. In order for you to demand a recourse will you first need to have a goal in your war. If your goal was not a surrender then you are playing the game wrong and not knowing how to play a game is not a play style but only dumb.

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#48 - 2013-02-27 20:16:30 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Does one need a permit to stalk miners or is this yet unregulated?



I think it's optional....


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EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#49 - 2013-02-27 20:30:27 UTC
i surrender *completely ignores the aggressor and continues to do whatever they want*

working as intended
Whitehound
#50 - 2013-02-27 20:45:43 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
i surrender *completely ignores the aggressor and continues to do whatever they want*

working as intended

When you believe others should not continue to play the game then you are quite wrong, because without others would you be playing it alone.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#51 - 2013-02-27 20:47:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
RubyPorto wrote:
With the new Wardec Pricing model, CCP has explicitly stated that wardecs are about buying targets.


explicit or implicit? but of an odd use of language there.

it's still the corp that you're paying to declare war upon, not the players. just because you pay extra because it's a larger corp with more members doesn't mean those members are going to stick around or that you have any rights on them, which you don't.

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Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-02-27 22:05:10 UTC
William Cane wrote:

I do not think that if a Corp is IN, or Pending a wardeck it should be allowed to just "Close", so that ALL of the members are placed into a default NPC Corp. At least untill the War is over. Because this maks them safe and sound to continue on about thier merry way.

Now the only way I can see the War only lasting 1h is that the 'bot controler' happened to noticed the pending wardec, and closed the Corp about 1h after getting it. Then ended up with some losses due to poor time management, bad composit risk management skills, or just did not care if there were any losses. Especially if the profit margin was high enough to not be a n issue. However, I beieve that this is an exploit of the Wardec mechanics and needs to be fixed. As this has allowed this person controling these 'players' to continue to rake in loads of ISk.


I agree. War decs should prevent people from leaving the corp that was declared war on until the war is over. I see it as an exploit.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-02-27 22:43:26 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
this post is just a reminder that every time you dodge a wardec you are forcing your style of gameplay on others without them having any sort of recourse

They still have the ability to destroy a war dodgers ship, just at a potentially greater cost. This is the recourse afforded against anyone who undocks. If they don't undock they weren't going to be affected by the wardec anyways.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#54 - 2013-02-27 22:55:24 UTC
yeah the only non-consensual PvP in highsec is the suicide gank, which is most certainly not an exploit.

it can also fail and give you a lolly exhumer killmail which is always delicious.

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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#55 - 2013-02-27 23:10:12 UTC
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
I agree. War decs should prevent people from leaving the corp that was declared war on until the war is over. I see it as an exploit.

In my oppinion avatars with beards should not be allowed to post on the forums. I see it as an exploit.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-02-27 23:14:06 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
I agree. War decs should prevent people from leaving the corp that was declared war on until the war is over. I see it as an exploit.

In my oppinion avatars with beards should not be allowed to post on the forums. I see it as an exploit.

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EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#57 - 2013-02-27 23:16:23 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
dear all new players:

if i, a three year old grizzled veteran with 3 accounts and a spreadsheet screw you over by making your preferred way to play the game essentially worthless then you're going to have to take the standings hit and be forced out of highsec eventually in order to get revenge

~deal with it~
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-02-27 23:22:45 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
dear all new players:

if i, a three year old grizzled veteran with 3 accounts and a spreadsheet screw you over by making your preferred way to play the game essentially worthless then you're going to have to take the standings hit and be forced out of highsec eventually in order to get revenge

~deal with it~


Though even if those veterans were incapable of evading wardecs they are more capable of setting themselves up in a way that minimizes or nullifies the affect of your wardec.
Whitehound
#59 - 2013-02-27 23:27:54 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
dear all new players:

if i, a three year old grizzled veteran with 3 accounts and a spreadsheet screw you over by making your preferred way to play the game essentially worthless then you're going to have to take the standings hit and be forced out of highsec eventually in order to get revenge

~deal with it~


Your comment did not make any sense the first time. With only three years of EVE are you no veteran. Being a veteran then only enables you to tell about the old times, but it does not give you any rights with regards to the future (other than perhaps a place in a retirement home). Would you care to explain the rest of your comment, because dealing with it and without a further explanation means to ignore it.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-02-27 23:32:19 UTC
grizzled vet demands right to shoot noobs in highsec, probably.

i hope i die before i get grizzled vet.

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