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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#21 - 2013-02-26 14:53:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Haedonism Bot
Ok, here is what I get from the OP. He is a noob and he's got himself a group of other noobs who want to do PvP. They smack talk in local somewhere and get themselves an enemy to shoot at. All of this sounds commendable so far.

Then, oh no, the enemy turns out to be more pro than they had anticipated. T3 gangs against their Rifters. They quickly discover that this PvP thing isn't really about fair fights. Welcome to EVE. Unfortunately, now they have embarrassed themselves by crying for help in C&P. That is a shame, but what is done is done.

There are a few different ways that you could play this situation which would be more fun for you and your corp than sitting in station begging for help while your members get frustrated with EVE and quit.

1. Buy 100 Slashers (or some equivalent), get them Red Frogged to your home station. Fit them and give them out to your corp. Go out and recklessly attack your opponents until all your ships are blown up. Who knows, you may even get a lucky kill or two - even elite PvPers make mistakes sometimes. Your corp is practically guaranteed to have fun doing this either way. Talk some smack in local for lols.

2. Tactical retreat. Go somewhere your enemy isn't. Move your whole corp into a wormhole, or out to nullsec. Have adventures. Play EVE.

3. Pay the ransom, surrender, go about your business.

4. Continue to play the victims. Beg for help. Complain about "griefers" ruining the game. Send pointless petitions to CCP. Eventually rage quit and start a new rant thread on General Discussion.

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Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-02-26 16:55:42 UTC
Backfyre wrote:
Saliephinian wrote:
I've recently been wardec'd by a griefer alliance in gallente space. My corp is a week and a half old and my members fly frigates and destroyers. we're now up against small T3 gangs (8 being the most at one time) The amount they want to end the war is pretty low and I'm convinced they will just dec us again after payment is made. Is there anyone out there that can help us?


LOL - from your own corp description you advertise "Pvp training and low cost pvp roams."

Well, training is in session...


Basically this. Sucks when you find out the bad people can get you in the "starter zone." P
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-02-26 17:39:08 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Backfyre wrote:
Saliephinian wrote:
I've recently been wardec'd by a griefer alliance in gallente space. My corp is a week and a half old and my members fly frigates and destroyers. we're now up against small T3 gangs (8 being the most at one time) The amount they want to end the war is pretty low and I'm convinced they will just dec us again after payment is made. Is there anyone out there that can help us?


LOL - from your own corp description you advertise "Pvp training and low cost pvp roams."

Well, training is in session...


Basically this. Sucks when you find out the bad people can get you in the "starter zone." P


i like how apparently the CEO have done endgame related WH and stuff... i didn't know eve had an end. :/

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-02-26 17:53:36 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
Request assistance.

I can't stress this enough: griefer alliances are very quick to retract wars if there is an actual fight going on. If people see that there are T3s on the line, you'll have a line waiting to help you, because T3s in high sec are pimp fit (I know I fly a 3-bil Proteus, and I constantly upgrade it).

At the very least, it puts the griefers on notice that they aren't getting what they want. Plus, you can team up with your allies to snag some juicy kills.

Fight back. Never let the griefers push you around. CCP has made alterations to war dec mechanics for just such a scenario, so use it.


You should look into my alliance a bit before telling this dude that we are quick to retract wars with actual fighting. We put out a dozen decs a week looking for fights, and when we find a group that does, we tend to stick around for a few weeks and spend some quality time with them.

In general though, what you said is pretty sound advice.


If you were looking for fights, you'd be declaring war against other corporations like yours, which would include Rebirth., among others. You all say you just want fights, but you go about it be declaring war against newbies and carebears with shiny ships wanting to pad your killboard. Then--and I am dead serious here--when they request assistance, you'll tell them they're cowards for not fighting their own wars. Maybe not you in particular.

I saw it with Rebirth. when they declared war against Amarr high sec corporations who had reinforcements (and Rebirth. ran from Amarr back to Dodixie because they were outplayed).

I saw it with Malum Crusis when they claimed they were going to "dec all of high sec" and then bitched on the forums because they got what they wanted and couldn't handle it. I also saw it when the dec'd corporations with predominantly two-month-old characters instead of doing the contracts they were hired for.

If you're going to claim that you want fights, you'd probably be looking for corporations that will fight form the get-go rather than looking for corporations that will pad your murderboard (I like that better!).

As I said, you might be an exception. But your own claims say you're just like every other high-sec griefer.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Farley genocent
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-02-26 18:45:43 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
This war went down because the CEO here was spouting off in local about how his corp was full time PVP, so we tossed in a dec without even looking hoping for a fight.


He gobbed off in local, he got the pvp his corp is so adamantly looking for.

Perhaps if he wasn't ready for that he shouldn't have 'talked the talk'
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#26 - 2013-02-26 19:45:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Adriel Malakai
Anya Klibor wrote:
If you were looking for fights, you'd be declaring war against other corporations like yours, which would include Rebirth., among others. You all say you just want fights, but you go about it be declaring war against newbies and carebears with shiny ships wanting to pad your killboard. Then--and I am dead serious here--when they request assistance, you'll tell them they're cowards for not fighting their own wars. Maybe not you in particular.

I saw it with Rebirth. when they declared war against Amarr high sec corporations who had reinforcements (and Rebirth. ran from Amarr back to Dodixie because they were outplayed).

I saw it with Malum Crusis when they claimed they were going to "dec all of high sec" and then bitched on the forums because they got what they wanted and couldn't handle it. I also saw it when the dec'd corporations with predominantly two-month-old characters instead of doing the contracts they were hired for.

If you're going to claim that you want fights, you'd probably be looking for corporations that will fight form the get-go rather than looking for corporations that will pad your murderboard (I like that better!).

As I said, you might be an exception. But your own claims say you're just like every other high-sec griefer.


A couple of things here.

First of all, we do regularly dec groups that are similar to us, though it gets old fighting the same people over and over. Feel free to look up our wars against groups like The Ghost Army, Rebirth, Whores in space, German Freakshow, and the like, and see how they went.

Second, we've only shot at these guys once. We were actually going after the CEOs PVP Tengu (they were all sparring at a safe near a planet), but he was the first one off the field when exactly one of our guys jumped into local. He warped off and left his members to die. Two of his guys ended up getting out because the legion we sent in only had two points on it. Once we're on field, we're not going to just walk away - we're actually going to kill them.

Third, once we found out that this corp was comprised of one mouthy CEO and a bunch of noobs, we offered them an incredibly cheap out via the surrender mechanics. The CEO refused.

Fourth, I love it when people bring in allies - free decs!

And finally, we've been primarily hunting Whores in space and several of our other contract targets. These dudes were meant to be a fun side dec based on the mouth of the CEO. Turns out they aren't. If they want out, they can pay us the amount we've told them, or they can wait out the week.
Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-02-26 20:13:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jensaro Koraka
Saliephinian wrote:
I've recently been wardec'd by a griefer alliance in gallente space. My corp is a week and a half old and my members fly frigates and destroyers. we're now up against small T3 gangs (8 being the most at one time) The amount they want to end the war is pretty low and I'm convinced they will just dec us again after payment is made. Is there anyone out there that can help us?

So you started a "PvP corp" which cries on the forum about it when someone tries to PvP with you? Further, it's a high sec corp or wars wouldn't even be relevant. A high sec PvP corp that cries about PvP? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

Edit: And why is this in C&P? I see no crime here.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#28 - 2013-02-26 20:27:52 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Then--and I am dead serious here--when they request assistance, you'll tell them they're cowards for not fighting their own wars.


I totally cry about people accepting ally contracts. Makes me all bitter inside to have more people to shoot at!

As for your comparison of us with Rebirth., Adriel is definitely a Kai86 alt. His cyno vindicators are just successful is all.

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Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#29 - 2013-02-26 20:53:46 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:


First of all, we do regularly dec groups that are similar to us, though it gets old fighting the same people over and over. Feel free to look up our wars against groups like The Ghost Army, Rebirth, Whores in space, German Freakshow, and the like, and see how they went.

Second, we've only shot at these guys once. We were actually going after the CEOs PVP Tengu (they were all sparring at a safe near a planet), but he was the first one off the field when exactly one of our guys jumped into local. He warped off and left his members to die. Two of his guys ended up getting out because the legion we sent in only had two points on it. Once we're on field, we're not going to just walk away - we're actually going to kill them.

Third, once we found out that this corp was comprised of one mouthy CEO and a bunch of noobs, we offered them an incredibly cheap out via the surrender mechanics. The CEO refused.

Fourth, I love it when people bring in allies - free decs!

And finally, we've been primarily hunting Whores in space and several of our other contract targets. These dudes were meant to be a fun side dec based on the mouth of the CEO. Turns out they aren't. If they want out, they can pay us the amount we've told them, or they can wait out the week.




You can't really say we have been fighting you all. Our wars consist of finding people that dont want to be found. To boast about your war with someone who doesnt care to fight you, us, is rather distateful.

U-Mad has done the whole t3/faction battleship logi thing before and we dont find it to be fun anymore. Rather embarrasing yesterday when one of your legion pilots was complaining about me not fighting him when he had a loki, 2 legions, proteus, and 2 guardians next door. I was in a daredevil.....

What we have found to work, to get fights, was to challenge ourselves and fight handicapped. Ganking is only fun for so long.

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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#30 - 2013-02-26 22:29:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tah'ris Khlador
Zeus Maximo wrote:
To boast about your war with someone who doesnt care to fight you, us, is rather distateful.


Interesting, considering this round of war was declared by your alliance.

EDIT: Wait, WTF. Wars are by definition non-consensual. Exception being things like RVB, which is clearly not what your alliance is about. Thus if you've EVER bragged about a kill you've achieved during war, then you too are distasteful.

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Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#31 - 2013-02-26 22:31:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Adriel Malakai
Zeus Maximo wrote:
You can't really say we have been fighting you all. Our wars consist of finding people that dont want to be found. To boast about your war with someone who doesnt care to fight you, us, is rather distateful.

U-Mad has done the whole t3/faction battleship logi thing before and we dont find it to be fun anymore. Rather embarrasing yesterday when one of your legion pilots was complaining about me not fighting him when he had a loki, 2 legions, proteus, and 2 guardians next door. I was in a daredevil.....

What we have found to work, to get fights, was to challenge ourselves and fight handicapped. Ganking is only fun for so long.


You dec us, then claim you're not interested in fighting. Then you ship down to assfrigs after we kill a 6b ISK Navy Mega on the 4-4 undock to "handicap yourselves to get fights." Right...
Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-02-26 22:58:21 UTC
Seems to me that most of the PVP in this game is done on the forum in the most amusing "spinning the truth" way imaginable. Politicians have nothing of the spinning skill people in this game have.

Back on topic:
You can hire mercs to help you and I suggest you check your mouth at the door. Back up what you can say in local or some enterprising alliances/corps are going to take you to task.

Oh, and

FIGHT BACK. Do the 100 slasher thing. That'll be a ball for everyone in your corp. Just... play the game and stuff. ;)
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-02-27 03:19:39 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
If you were looking for fights, you'd be declaring war against other corporations like yours, which would include Rebirth., among others. You all say you just want fights, but you go about it be declaring war against newbies and carebears with shiny ships wanting to pad your killboard. Then--and I am dead serious here--when they request assistance, you'll tell them they're cowards for not fighting their own wars. Maybe not you in particular.

I saw it with Rebirth. when they declared war against Amarr high sec corporations who had reinforcements (and Rebirth. ran from Amarr back to Dodixie because they were outplayed).

I saw it with Malum Crusis when they claimed they were going to "dec all of high sec" and then bitched on the forums because they got what they wanted and couldn't handle it. I also saw it when the dec'd corporations with predominantly two-month-old characters instead of doing the contracts they were hired for.

If you're going to claim that you want fights, you'd probably be looking for corporations that will fight form the get-go rather than looking for corporations that will pad your murderboard (I like that better!).

As I said, you might be an exception. But your own claims say you're just like every other high-sec griefer.


A couple of things here.

First of all, we do regularly dec groups that are similar to us, though it gets old fighting the same people over and over. Feel free to look up our wars against groups like The Ghost Army, Rebirth, Whores in space, German Freakshow, and the like, and see how they went.

Second, we've only shot at these guys once. We were actually going after the CEOs PVP Tengu (they were all sparring at a safe near a planet), but he was the first one off the field when exactly one of our guys jumped into local. He warped off and left his members to die. Two of his guys ended up getting out because the legion we sent in only had two points on it. Once we're on field, we're not going to just walk away - we're actually going to kill them.

Third, once we found out that this corp was comprised of one mouthy CEO and a bunch of noobs, we offered them an incredibly cheap out via the surrender mechanics. The CEO refused.

Fourth, I love it when people bring in allies - free decs!

And finally, we've been primarily hunting Whores in space and several of our other contract targets. These dudes were meant to be a fun side dec based on the mouth of the CEO. Turns out they aren't. If they want out, they can pay us the amount we've told them, or they can wait out the week.


If all of this is true, then I owe you an apology. I didn't realize the CEO was a mouthy bugger to begin with, so have at him. I'm just tired of griefers deccing carebears for shiny kills and then claiming that they're mercs or "legitimate PvPers".

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#34 - 2013-02-27 03:26:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Apparently I was confusing these gentlemen with another group earlier when I was talking about why we declared war on them. These guys are the CEO thing, not the bounty thing.

I swear to god they all look the same to me.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#35 - 2013-02-27 03:29:19 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Actually I got confused about which dudes these were, it wasn't that guy I was talking about earlier that was why I declared war on these folks it was the CEO thing.

I swear to god they all look the same to me.


QUOTING FOR POSTERITY. WORDS, WHAT ARE THEY? WE JUST DON'T KNOW!

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Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#36 - 2013-02-27 06:17:35 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
Zeus Maximo wrote:
You can't really say we have been fighting you all. Our wars consist of finding people that dont want to be found. To boast about your war with someone who doesnt care to fight you, us, is rather distateful.

U-Mad has done the whole t3/faction battleship logi thing before and we dont find it to be fun anymore. Rather embarrasing yesterday when one of your legion pilots was complaining about me not fighting him when he had a loki, 2 legions, proteus, and 2 guardians next door. I was in a daredevil.....

What we have found to work, to get fights, was to challenge ourselves and fight handicapped. Ganking is only fun for so long.


You dec us, then claim you're not interested in fighting. Then you ship down to assfrigs after we kill a 6b ISK Navy Mega on the 4-4 undock to "handicap yourselves to get fights." Right...



If you looked at U-Mads killboard you'd see that we dont need 2 bil ships to get 100 mil kills. A friend and I solo'd a maelstrom yesterday in frigates...... Is that why you all set up the insta-locking fleet on that gate?

Enjoy the game :)

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Lainalil
The Double Rainbow Butterflies
#37 - 2013-02-27 07:17:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Lainalil
Well now, this is getting interesting. Now, I have nothing against Vimsy, Adriel, Tysinger or most of the rest of Break-A-Wish. I do however owe Tah'ris from my days as a noob. In fact Adriel has been one of the most professional mercs I've met in game but I digress... things have changed a lot from my early days.

Well, I'll keep an eye on this thread and see where it goes. I might have to play ball at some point.
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#38 - 2013-02-27 07:53:22 UTC
Zeus Maximo wrote:
If you looked at U-Mads killboard you'd see that we dont need 2 bil ships to get 100 mil kills. A friend and I solo'd a maelstrom yesterday in frigates...... Is that why you all set up the insta-locking fleet on that gate?

Enjoy the game :)


You took out a shitfit, T1 gunned, PVE maelstrom from Test in an Ishkur and a Daredevil, probably with your neutral loki booster (that might be someone else's in your alliance v0v). Please keep bragging.

Lainalil wrote:
Well now, this is getting interesting. Now, I have nothing against Vimsy, Adriel, Tysinger or most of the rest of Break-A-Wish. I do however owe Tah'ris from my days as a noob. In fact Adriel has been one of the most professional mercs I've met in game but I digress... things have changed a lot from my early days.

Well, I'll keep an eye on this thread and see where it goes. I might have to play ball at some point.


No one likes Tah'ris. Sad
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-02-27 08:01:06 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
Zeus Maximo wrote:
If you looked at U-Mads killboard you'd see that we dont need 2 bil ships to get 100 mil kills. A friend and I solo'd a maelstrom yesterday in frigates...... Is that why you all set up the insta-locking fleet on that gate?

Enjoy the game :)


You took out a shitfit, T1 gunned, PVE maelstrom from Test in an Ishkur and a Daredevil, probably with your neutral loki booster (that might be someone else's in your alliance v0v). Please keep bragging.

Lainalil wrote:
Well now, this is getting interesting. Now, I have nothing against Vimsy, Adriel, Tysinger or most of the rest of Break-A-Wish. I do however owe Tah'ris from my days as a noob. In fact Adriel has been one of the most professional mercs I've met in game but I digress... things have changed a lot from my early days.

Well, I'll keep an eye on this thread and see where it goes. I might have to play ball at some point.


No one likes Tah'ris. Sad


I like him... wait a minute.

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#40 - 2013-02-27 14:06:31 UTC
culo duro wrote:
Adriel Malakai wrote:
No one likes Tah'ris. Sad
I like him... wait a minute.


I thought we decided you liked "Forum Tah'ris" not "EVE Tah'ris"?

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