EVE General Discussion

Why would any industralists move to not-highsec under your scheme, if they can just stay in highsec and continue as they were?

A new miner can compete with the multiboxer(bot miners don't exist, don't be silly) because he has no operating costs beyond his time invested, even if he's earning way less per hour, and there's always a demand for more ore.
A newbie industrialist would have a much harder time if station slots were reduced or fees increased too much, because he may not be able to make a profit at all. So they'd need some protection to get started. Much like Novice plexes and the frigate buffs helped get newbies into FW pvp.

And the award for "I just read the thread title and didn't bother with the rest" goes to...

No one's asking for it to be easy. We're asking for it to be equally viable. We're willing to accept increased risk, difficulty and effort, as long as that's rewarded with sufficient comparitive advantage to make it worthwhile.

You ask if null should be easy: a fair question

You should also ask if hi-sec should be profitable.

Well, people are already forced into sovereign nullsec if they want to produce supercaps.

There are 2 issues:
1. Jump freighters make even fairly remote nullsec closer to the nearest highsec trade hub than the highsec trade hubs are to each other.

2. There are higher priority manufacturing jobs for nullsec than T1 and T2 subcap ships and modules.

None of the suggestions for "fixing" nullsec industry so much as acknowledges either of these things, so all of the suggestions are doomed to miss their stated goals and accomplish other things entirely should they be implemented.

I think the latter question is inappropriately phrased as this might suggest you are in favour of high sec being profit neutral or negative for any industry related activity. Rephrasing to "Should null sec industry be more profitable than hi sec industry?" would, I imagine, produce an affirmative answer from most right minded players.

Haters are going to hate .. but whatever ..

Hisec is mostly fine as it is.
Losec is mostly fine as it is.
Some parts of Nulsec need to be nerfed.
Some parts of nulsec need to be buffed.
Reprocessing ratios need to be altered accross the board.


Item drops from NPC's has already been reviewed once, and basic T1 modules were removed from the tables, and this was a good change as it made T1 production more relavent. However there are still vast quantities of minerals produced from the reprocessing of 'Meta' items that are found in mission/belt drops.

Reprocessing
If a player cannot build it from a bpo/bpc, remove the [reprocess] option from it.
If you need a "Lore Rational" for the change, then the easiest is :- It was produced by a nonstadard process using materials that the reprocessing facility cannot identify.
This will make minerals sourced from mining more important, especially lo & nul.
It will create a reason to mine there.
It will create a reason to have trade between Nul & Hisec.

Nulsec Nerf
Alliances/Naps are to easy to form, to cheap to maintain and reduce the level of competitive play in nulsec.
Right now it is too easy for an Alliance to have a 1-5 man [Sov Holding] or [PoS Holding] Corp, and the alliance suffers no ill effects from this arrangement.
Make them skill based, make it cost a resonable amount of ISK to maintain.

Add 1-2 Skills that limit the number of corporations in an alliance :-
This would mean Alliance leaders would have to choose between incorporating PoS/SOV holding into thier main structure, to allow for more robust 50+man combat/industry biased corps. Or they reduce thier overall effectiveness by using current holding corp mechanisms.

Add 1-2 skills that limit the maximum number of Positive Standings that can be set :-
This has the potential to increase the amount of conflict, so no-one has ANY reason to complain about that.
Alliance/Corp leaders would have to be more choosy about who they set 'Blue'

Nulsec Buff
As it stands, nulsec cannot compete with hisec on an industrial basis.
It does not have the ability to adequately match the manufacturing, research or Invention potential of any hisec system.
Nulsec is restricted to 1 Outpost per system.
This restriction needs to go.
Removing this restriction would allow nulsec to more reasonable approach hisecs capability for industry
This approach matches the original intent of nulsec "a place where the players can create a capsuleer empire"

alright, that makes sense. does that encourage larger alliances though? could that lead to a monopoly, even?

Jump freighters have been talked about a lot, though mostly in the cost of the fuel. Hell, the main reason they're used currently is to import stuff from high sec into null sec because its cheaper to do that than to produce that stuff in null sec... which is a big part of WHY not much other than those "higher priority items" are produced there. Honestly, I would have no complaints if along with some of the stated fixes, caps were made incredibly resource intensive to make compared to what they are now to make it a real investment to have even one supercap. I'm under the impression those were supposed to be essentially flag ships, not something you make fleets of all willy nilly, buuut that's a different subject.

Never said to make jump freighters more fuel intensive, just said jump freighters were talked about.
But you make a good point about the capitals... hmm... tricky.