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One small adjustment of Gal/Cal LP store items
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Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#1 - 2013-02-26 12:32:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Garan Nardieu
I'll be short on this one - Hybrid ammunition needs to be a Gallente LP Store exclusive item (remove it from Caldari stores).
All other factions have their (primary) racial ammunition exclusivity (Cal - Missiles, Min - Projectiles, Amarr - Crystals) so I really don't see the logic behind Gallenteans not having it with hybrids.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-02-26 13:28:00 UTC
Supported.

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Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-02-26 16:04:09 UTC
damn ccp making gallente richer
Raven DarkSouless
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-26 16:14:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Raven DarkSouless
Caldari ships may favor missiles but they do have ships that use hybrid as well.
Callic Veratar
#5 - 2013-02-26 16:17:33 UTC
Rather than removing one or the other, it would be better if Caldari and Federation charges were different from each other.

Federation charges could follow Javelin with slightly improved tracking and damage at even shorter range and Caldari charges follow Null with slightly improved falloff and damage with a small penalty to tracking.
Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#6 - 2013-02-26 18:01:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Garan Nardieu
Raven DarkSouless wrote:
Caldari ships may favor missiles but they do have ships that use hybrid as well.


Well, both Minmatar and Amarr have some really nice ships using missiles (Cyclone after the re-balance, Sacrilege are just some examples) and minnies are pretty much a projectile/missile split platfor race anyway, still you don't see Imperial/Republic Navy XYZ Rockets. There is some logic in having race-specific ammo exclusivity and Gallente should have some of that exclusivity too.

Callic Veratar wrote:
Rather than removing one or the other, it would be better if Caldari and Federation charges were different from each other.
Federation charges could follow Javelin with slightly improved tracking and damage at even shorter range and Caldari charges follow Null with slightly improved falloff and damage with a small penalty to tracking.


Even shorter range would mean what exactly - rails performing as blasters and blasters being basically useless using that kind or any kind of ammo (if rails would match em for damage and tracking on extreme short ranges). Not really sounding like a good proposal and even if it they made ammo like that, my original proposal stands - provide Gallente LP stores with race-specific exclusivity on hybrid ammo.
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#7 - 2013-02-26 18:26:30 UTC
Garan Nardieu wrote:
Raven DarkSouless wrote:
Caldari ships may favor missiles but they do have ships that use hybrid as well.


Well, both Minmatar and Amarr have some really nice ships using missiles (Cyclone after the re-balance, Sacrilege are just some examples) and minnies are pretty much a projectile/missile split platfor race anyway, still you don't see Imperial/Republic Navy XYZ Rockets. There is some logic in having race-specific ammo exclusivity and Gallente should have some of that exclusivity too.

Until recently the minnies for the large part suffered from "split weapon syndrome", and therefore din't really use missiles, they used projectiles and whatever the hell else you bolted on your ship. I think that's why the Minmatar LP stores don't have Minmatar missiles. And as far as the Amarr, the only true Amarr missile ships are Khanid ships, and I thought Khanid LP stores had Caldari Navy missiles in them. And Khanid is kind of a bastard breed between Amarr and Caldari, so it kinda makes sense that they use Caldari missiles. They could do "Khanid Innovations" (or whatever) missiles, but it wouldn't make sense to have "Amarr Navy" missiles.
Garan Nardieu wrote:

Callic Veratar wrote:
Rather than removing one or the other, it would be better if Caldari and Federation charges were different from each other.
Federation charges could follow Javelin with slightly improved tracking and damage at even shorter range and Caldari charges follow Null with slightly improved falloff and damage with a small penalty to tracking.


Even shorter range would mean what exactly - rails performing as blasters and blasters being basically useless using that kind or any kind of ammo (if rails would match em for damage and tracking on extreme short ranges). Not really sounding like a good proposal and even if it they made ammo like that, my original proposal stands - provide Gallente LP stores with race-specific exclusivity on hybrid ammo.

I actually kinda like this idea. And it doesn't necessarily have to be that big of a range nerf. It could be midway between the Jav and AM ammo types, doing something like -60/-65% to range with +10% tracking and having something like 5-10% more damage than current CN/FNAM.
And the Caldari could do something like -35/-40% range with -10% to tracking and maybe 5-10% less damage than current CN/FNAM.
Numbers are bullshit, something CCP could sort out if they actually cared to do this, but it's just the general idea.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-02-26 19:42:35 UTC
No. Gallante LP shop should get faction drones.Lol

Missiles are a secondary weapon system, just like drones. Hybrids are primary for both Gallante and Caldari.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#9 - 2013-02-26 19:57:30 UTC
Good idea Smile

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Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#10 - 2013-02-27 11:29:52 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
No. Gallante LP shop should get faction drones.Lol
Missiles are a secondary weapon system, just like drones. Hybrids are primary for both Gallante and Caldari.


You do know that each faction gets their own faction drones, right? And it's a secondary weapon platform. Also - calling hybrids primary weapons platform for Caldari makes Hookbills, Drakes, Caracals, Ravens and all Caldari Navy ships cry. Also - Tengu.

Back to my original post - while having completely new types of hybrid ammo which would vary across Gallente and Caldari stores might be an interesting idea, it wasn't my point. Khanids are obviously an exception to general rules, hence - Gallenteans should have faction hybrid ammo exclusivity.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-02-27 11:44:45 UTC
Caldari ships are about 50% split between Missiles and Hybrides, and there for should be sold both in LP stores.

Changing the porperties of Federation and State Navy charges sounds more like a path to go, while at it, change the properties on other overlapping charges and modules as well.
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#12 - 2013-02-27 12:04:06 UTC
Non-issue get over it.

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Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#13 - 2013-02-27 13:12:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Garan Nardieu
Mike Whiite wrote:
Caldari ships are about 50% split between Missiles and Hybrides, and there for should be sold both in LP stores.

Its not only about weapons split, its more about balancing one aspect of LP stores which currently has no logic (Gallenteans being the only race which has no exclusive ammo in their store). If we follow the racial weapon splits logic, there should be a complete rework of LP store items. Not saying that would not be a good move, but I was aiming at a fairly simple and logical change.

Also

Eli Green wrote:
Non-issue get over it.

This is what contributing to forums by quality posting is all about... Ugh
Sui'Djin
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-02-27 13:45:49 UTC
Even though I find your idea interesting it is very likely that CCP won't listen. They repeatedly stated that LP stores are broken, and that they don't have the resources to fix them, because the code is more than old, delicate to handle and needs lots of work.