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Pod kill after a duel?

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-02-27 05:03:55 UTC
lol i remember when my space elf hussar was standing in front of ogrimar and i dueled an orc warmaster and he won and I was like wtf
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#22 - 2013-02-27 05:27:20 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I like the way CCP implemented duels into EVE. They don't even really matter, per se.

It's even more fun when people swear to you that starting a duel prevents other people from interfering, stops at the pod, and (best so far) ends at 1 struct.

This is EVE. E-bushido is out the window. If i can convince you to restrict yourself to some silly rules like "1v1", I'm bringing 5 bros to explod you.


Yep... expecting a fight fair is setting yourself up for a defeat...
I do not want to enter into a fight where I have a 50% chance of losing... I want to identify the enemy weaknesses, then take advantage of them mercilessly, then invite mates to take advantage of those weaknesses.

The enemy will always attack under two conditions:
1. When they are ready.
2. When you are not.

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-02-27 05:32:35 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
You can and probably will get podded after losing a duel.

I do agree that CCP isn't clear on this with the in-game instructions regarding a duel, it's rather misleading.


It's the Eve way... "they'll figure it out when it happens and be better for it" approach is the best approach


Maybe, but there's a difference between that, and flat out lying about a game mechanic which sounds like is the current state of things. Not just misleading, as it says specifically after one or both ships are destroyed.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#24 - 2013-02-27 05:43:26 UTC
Jaiell wrote:
I'm quite aware of the risks taken in PvP but when ccp state on their brag page that a duel ends when "One or both of the participants' ships have been destroyed." I expected to grats my challenger and head in for anouther ship. I have sent a petition but im guessing thousands have done the same....



Expecting CCP to provide information on game mechanics may be asking too much.....I'm not sure they know what's happening themselves...Cool

However, Pods have been free game since Crimewatch, in any type of limited engagement.



Signature removed - CCP Eterne
dark heartt
#25 - 2013-02-27 06:13:56 UTC  |  Edited by: dark heartt
Orlacc wrote:
This isn't Goldshire.


Where?
Is that the new 0.0 region coming soon?

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-02-27 06:41:15 UTC
See this thread, CCP? This is why you don't try to shoehorn dumbass WoW features into a full-on PVP game.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#27 - 2013-02-27 07:05:51 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Aren Madigan wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
It's the Eve way... "they'll figure it out when it happens and be better for it" approach is the best approach


Maybe, but there's a difference between that, and flat out lying about a game mechanic which sounds like is the current state of things. Not just misleading, as it says specifically after one or both ships are destroyed.


Surfin's point was that CCP does this kind of thing constantly.
It used to be that CCP official information sources were among the least reliable around.



Anyway, I agree that the Features page (and anywhere else that says that the LE ends at a ship being destroyed) should be changed to reflect how the game actually works. Or simply removed. I'm perfectly fine with "we've introduced a thing called dueling. It's up to you to figure out how it works. We put in a bunch of fun stuff in corner cases for you to find."

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#28 - 2013-02-27 09:23:01 UTC
TIL how aggression mechanics work! Big smile
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
#29 - 2013-02-27 09:29:27 UTC
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Staying docked is a good way to avoid this unsavoury stuff

I also follow in Boom's footsteps and only stay docked whilst I train skills.

 ♥ 
Getsafe Aisak
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-02-27 10:00:11 UTC
In my honest opinion engaging in a duel should flag you to be automatically insta-podded whenever you undock as long as your account is active.
Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-02-27 10:17:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Rellik B00n
mm.

the important part here is the 2nd part:

CCP wrote:
2. Exchange of fire ceases for more than five minutes, allowing the timer to run out, concluding the limited engagement period.


yes your ship might have blown up, however exchange of fire has not ceased for 5 minutes therefore the duel is still active, ship or no ship.

also EvE rules of engagement.

They should probably change the wording to avoid unwatned petitions.
[Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits?](https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=199765)
Toto Zinny
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-02-27 11:38:17 UTC
Being able to pod kill after a duel? Kind of takes all the fun out of it.

Cheap ship, duel, lose, nice fun.
100 mill implants, duel, lose, crying rivers for years after. Swear never to duel again.
Virginia Virdana
RSM Inc
#33 - 2013-02-27 11:43:50 UTC
Toto Zinny wrote:
Being able to pod kill after a duel? Kind of takes all the fun out of it.

Cheap ship, duel, lose, nice fun.
100 mill implants, duel, lose, crying rivers for years after. Swear never to duel again.


Don't fly what you can't afford to lose also applies to the shiney implants in your head.
They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.   You appear to have come armed with a spoon.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#34 - 2013-02-27 12:15:54 UTC
The introduction of the Dueling system is absurd and does not belong in EVE.
This is just another slab of concrete in the sandbox.
I hope CCP realise how badly this waters down EVE combat and removes this feature post-haste.
Terrible feature.

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#35 - 2013-02-27 12:17:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Liafcipe9000
Thorn Galen wrote:
The introduction of the Dueling system is absurd and does not belong in EVE.
This is just another slab of concrete in the sandbox.
I hope CCP realise how badly this waters down EVE combat and removes this feature post-haste.
Terrible feature.


DWI

the dueling system is meant to fill the hole that Crimewatch2.0 created, and even better than before. Now you don't have to expose yourself to a whole corporation just to have a one versus one fight.
Annihilious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-02-27 12:21:55 UTC
Thorn Galen wrote:
The introduction of the Dueling system is absurd and does not belong in EVE.
This is just another slab of concrete in the sandbox.
I hope CCP realise how badly this waters down EVE combat and removes this feature post-haste.
Terrible feature.


Agreed. It seems stupid. No it IS stupid...
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-02-27 13:52:10 UTC
Thorn Galen wrote:
The introduction of the Dueling system is absurd and does not belong in EVE.
This is just another slab of concrete in the sandbox.
I hope CCP realise how badly this waters down EVE combat and removes this feature post-haste.
Terrible feature.



And this is just another "sandbox is what I say it is" post.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-02-27 14:03:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
lol :CCP: at it's finest.

Whoever wrote the feature page obviously wasn't communicating with the devs working on crimewatch...

All large companies suffer some degree of miscommunication, the fact this is now bringing tears to the forums is most excellent.

CCP-harvested tears = best tears.


edit: it does state specifically in the duel 'box' that it will create a limited engagement, and limited engagements are well-documented, so the information is there for those who look for it. It's just wrong on the features page, heh.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#39 - 2013-02-27 15:48:08 UTC
OP still not replying as to whether or not there was a CONCORD response against the podder, as the duel 'ended' with a ship being destroyed.

Yes or no would be interesting.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#40 - 2013-02-27 15:51:24 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
You can and probably will get podded after losing a duel.

I do agree that CCP isn't clear on this with the in-game instructions regarding a duel, it's rather misleading.


It's the Eve way... "they'll figure it out when it happens and be better for it" approach is the best approach


I don't know how it would take more than 3 brain cells firing in unison to figure this one out when dueling was announced.

Crimewatch 2.0 made any and all CONCORD-sanctioned PvP in highsec include the legal destruction of pods as a possible outcome. How people concluded that a Limited Engagement bourn from a duel invite would be any different is beyond me.

Well, actually it's not beyond me. 90% of eve is really really good at making bad decisions based on bad assumptions.