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How to go Legit or Scam - Modern MD Bonds
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Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#81 - 2013-02-27 00:12:52 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Pepridge: "20b"
lamper: "i now only have 10b, dam cashouts its all your fault,well screw it, im gonna play the legit card now and try and get the whales back in my nets"
Pepridge: "op success"


Lampen: Quantify your claims rather than claiming MD is little more than one big scam.
Pepper: *Insert irrelevant post / reply here*
Lampen: Still waiting.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#82 - 2013-02-27 00:23:49 UTC
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Pepridge: "20b"
lamper: "i now only have 10b, dam cashouts its all your fault,well screw it, im gonna play the legit card now and try and get the whales back in my nets"
Pepridge: "op success"


Lampen: Quantify your claims rather than claiming MD is little more than one big scam.
Pepper: *Insert irrelevant post / reply here*
Lampen: Still waiting.


i didn't respond coz you linked cosmorays bogus report from 2010, you actually linked a troll thread lamper.

@JerryTPepridge
Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#83 - 2013-02-27 01:23:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Pepridge: "20b"
lamper: "i now only have 10b, dam cashouts its all your fault,well screw it, im gonna play the legit card now and try and get the whales back in my nets"
Pepridge: "op success"


Lampen: Quantify your claims rather than claiming MD is little more than one big scam.
Pepper: *Insert irrelevant post / reply here*
Lampen: Still waiting.


i didn't respond coz you linked cosmorays bogus report from 2010, you actually linked a troll thread lamper.


Awaiting link supporting claim for this and original for all of MD is a scam.

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1277228

Another post backing up the overall claims that MD is largely non-scam.

I know you prefer for everyone to take you for your word and not really supply much evidence for most of it. Other than 1-2 incidents apparently. So why not go through all the bond offerings in the last 6 months and supply us with your evidence/analysis?
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#84 - 2013-02-27 01:44:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerry T Pepridge
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:

I know you prefer for everyone to take you for your word and not really supply much evidence for most of it. Other than 1-2 incidents apparently. So why not go through all the bond offerings in the last 6 months and supply us with your evidence/analysis?


ok ok ill answer you properly lamper

those "statistics" are for bonds and loans that get filled & ran. go back and count the actual number, including the bonds that don't get filled coz the scammer is lazy or looking for quick lulz.

no we have my topic here than you are nicely bumping, and several emails in my inbox asking for tips on names for there new alts, along with lots (some big names here too) that PM'd be about your "IPO", even asking me if i should still be invested in it. so some ppl take me for my word.

i expect the percentage of bonds (that get filled due to this topic) to rise sharply over the next week months, once the alts have a trading history. whether the new alts are purpose built for a quick 5-10b scam is up to them, by this method will enable isk into there hands.

not really understanding you argument, its like you are trying to rattle my cage its so cute to have a friend.

@JerryTPepridge
Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#85 - 2013-02-27 01:52:31 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:

I know you prefer for everyone to take you for your word and not really supply much evidence for most of it. Other than 1-2 incidents apparently. So why not go through all the bond offerings in the last 6 months and supply us with your evidence/analysis?


ok ok ill answer you properly lamper

those "statistics" are for bonds and loans that get filled & ran. go back and count the actual number, including the bonds that don't get filled coz the scammer is lazy or looking for quick lulz.

no we have my topic here than you are nicely bumping, and several emails in my inbox asking for tips on names for there new alts, along with lots (some big names here too) that PM'd be about your "IPO", even asking me if i should still be invested in it. so some ppl take me for my word.

i expect the percentage of bonds (that get filled due to this topic) to rise sharply over the next week months, once the alts have a trading history.

not really understanding you argument, its like you are trying to rattle my cage its so cute to have a friend.


Questioning whether you are actually reading the link provided as you have either read something else or cannot recognize what the information states:

Total IPOs/Bonds
IPOs/Bonds in data 119
Successful IPO/Bonds in data 110
Default IPO/Bonds in data 9
Percentage Default 7.56%
Percentage Success 92.44%
Total IPO/Bonds (ISK Value) £2,643,092,000,000.00
Total Successful IPO/Bonds (ISK
Value) £2,018,597,000,000.00
Total Default IPO/Bonds (ISK Value) £624,495,000,000.00
Percentage Default (ISK Value) 23.63%
Percentage Success (ISK Value) 76.37%

Rather straight forward considering it only looks at bonds that were filled and were either repaid or the people ran. Given 76.37% of all ISK was returned that's pretty good. If you take out the single case of 450B ISK its considerably higher and that data point largely skews the rest.

As for claims that you've received emails from people asking for your "sage" advice in regard to my own business there's no way to refute it (especially since you have a track record of just claiming whatever you want regardless of the absence of much evidence). Not really concerned as I regularly speak to most of the people who have ISK invested with me and they still have my API's and can see what I'm up to with it. So if they're scared and asking you for advice it's clearly not a big name.

No cage rattling intended, but you don't base your claims on anything except anecdotal evidence. And you're clearly satisified with that as you more than likely don't care to do the work to back up your claims.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#86 - 2013-02-27 01:55:34 UTC
a defaulted bond is a bond that got filled, but scammed, not a bond that didn;t get launched

try again

@JerryTPepridge
Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#87 - 2013-02-27 02:00:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
a defaulted bond is a bond that got filled, but scammed, not a bond that didn;t get launched

try again


Cool story. So the total number of bonds that were scammed out of 119 = 9

The analysis only looked at bonds that were filled and whether they were successful or not. 110/119 bonds that were filled were successful and paid back. How is this indicative of your claims?

Default IPO/Bonds in data 9
Percentage Default 7.56%
Total Default IPO/Bonds (ISK Value) £624,495,000,000.00
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#88 - 2013-02-27 02:02:13 UTC
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
a defaulted bond is a bond that got filled, but scammed, not a bond that didn;t get launched

try again


Cool story. So the total number of bonds that were scammed out of 119 = 9

The analysis only looked at bonds that were filled and whether they were successful or not. 110/119 bonds that were filled were successful and paid back. How is this indicative of your claims?


the number of bonds thatr got launched were = 119
the number of those 119 that scammed was = 9
how many bonds failed to launch? = ???

thats the real %, nothing else.

try again lamper

@JerryTPepridge
Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#89 - 2013-02-27 02:08:31 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
a defaulted bond is a bond that got filled, but scammed, not a bond that didn;t get launched

try again


Cool story. So the total number of bonds that were scammed out of 119 = 9

The analysis only looked at bonds that were filled and whether they were successful or not. 110/119 bonds that were filled were successful and paid back. How is this indicative of your claims?


the number of bonds thatr got launched were = 119
the number of those 119 that scammed was = 9
how many bonds failed to launch? = ???

thats the real %, nothing else.

try again lamper


Well if you'll take a quick look through the first several pages of MD you'll see the vast majority of bonds have been filled and are operating. Pretty much the same as in the past. The relative percentage of bonds that go unfilled is comparably small to those that are. Its actually increased with the % of all bonds that are collateralized now. Even when you look at the number of uncollateralized bonds/ipo's/etc there number that go unfilled is small.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#90 - 2013-02-27 02:11:42 UTC
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:

Well if you'll take a quick look through the first several pages of MD you'll see the vast majority of bonds have been filled and are operating. Pretty much the same as in the past. The relative percentage of bonds that go unfilled is comparably small to those that are. Its actually increased with the % of all bonds that are collateralized now. Even when you look at the number of uncollateralized bonds/ipo's/etc there number that go unfilled is small.


first few pages are a week-2 weeks

so were now comparing a doctored sample from 2010's cosmo era to 2 weeks of 2013 api for gtfo era.

make the report and post it, this thread is just as useful to legit players and not.

still not sure of you angle, trying to debunk me that players scam in eve online?

@JerryTPepridge
Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#91 - 2013-02-27 02:15:49 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:

Well if you'll take a quick look through the first several pages of MD you'll see the vast majority of bonds have been filled and are operating. Pretty much the same as in the past. The relative percentage of bonds that go unfilled is comparably small to those that are. Its actually increased with the % of all bonds that are collateralized now. Even when you look at the number of uncollateralized bonds/ipo's/etc there number that go unfilled is small.


first few pages are a week-2 weeks

so were now comparing a doctored sample from 2010's cosmo era to 2 weeks of 2013 api for gtfo era.

make the report and post it, this thread is just as useful to legit players and not.

still not sure of you angle, trying to debunk me that players scam in eve online?


Long-term sampling of all MD bonds would undoubtedly show that the vast majority of all bonds, both in raw number and amount of ISK involved, would show that MD bonds/ipos are more successful than many try to portray them to be.

As for proving it I've got negligible time to do so for the next month, but given the amount you must have I would think it would be easier for you and it would justify some of your own claims.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#92 - 2013-02-27 02:25:36 UTC
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:

Long-term sampling of all MD bonds would undoubtedly show that the vast majority of all bonds, both in raw number and amount of ISK involved, would show that MD bonds/ipos are more successful than many try to portray them to be.

As for proving it I've got negligible time to do so for the next month, but given the amount you must have I would think it would be easier for you and it would justify some of your own claims.


the method posted here is 2-3 "successful bonds" followed by scam,

your data doesn't cover that also.

exclude the successful rep grind bonds of those "defaulted"

then go on to see the thread you linked is also full of scammers working there way to there mark (TMPI), but you weren't around for that, so your a little wet behind the ears, compiling the report would help you greatly.

if you have time google "tutskii"

10+ successful bonds leading to his scam.

checkmate lampoon

@JerryTPepridge
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#93 - 2013-02-27 02:52:57 UTC
Exactly. When you compare "completed" (assuming it wasn't just alts and friends for rep-grinding) with scammed based on isk volume, it's not even a contest.

I don't even remember which scammer this guy is...I think he's the guy who got busted lying about buying his character.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
flakeys
Doomheim
#94 - 2013-02-27 13:04:30 UTC
Raw23 ran the figures a year + back and he came with the same result basically.In short both in number of bonds/ipo's and total amount of isk the succesfull ones where higher then the ones wich turned out to be a scam.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#95 - 2013-02-27 13:09:08 UTC
flakeys wrote:
in number of bonds/ipo's


yes

flakeys wrote:
and total amount of isk


no

i remember that thread from years ago. 99% sure you're wrong here. easy enough to solve, though, just need to pull it up again.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
flakeys
Doomheim
#96 - 2013-02-27 13:13:19 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
flakeys wrote:
in number of bonds/ipo's


yes

flakeys wrote:
and total amount of isk


no

i remember that thread from years ago. 99% sure you're wrong here. easy enough to solve, though, just need to pull it up again.


Be my guest ... too lazy for that Blink

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#97 - 2013-02-27 13:25:17 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Be my guest ... too lazy for that Blink


lol same

happy to agree to disagree

trying is hard

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
flakeys
Doomheim
#98 - 2013-02-27 13:27:48 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Be my guest ... too lazy for that Blink


lol same

happy to agree to disagree

trying is hard


What my wife said the other day when i asked her if she came ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#99 - 2013-03-30 08:42:40 UTC
Bumping, for all you potentials out there.

@JerryTPepridge