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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-02-26 21:44:40 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
make a conference room so that us elite corp and alliance leaders can sit around a big space table while our leader talks to us via holovid screen and we all talk in faux-british accents about alliance affairs


egg-xacly

never understood why WiS has to be some complicated complex combat adventure thing


The idea sounded cool when the vision was presented at Fanfest, but after the complete failure that was WiS it's something that needs to stay shelved, permanently. Stick to spaceships in space.

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#82 - 2013-02-26 21:49:41 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
make a conference room so that us elite corp and alliance leaders can sit around a big space table while our leader talks to us via holovid screen and we all talk in faux-british accents about alliance affairs


egg-xacly

never understood why WiS has to be some complicated complex combat adventure thing


The idea sounded cool when the vision was presented at Fanfest, but after the complete failure that was WiS it's something that needs to stay shelved, permanently. Stick to spaceships in space.


I'm just really in disagreement with this. Yeah, Incarna was kind of bad, but i think that if CCP can get their design **** together I think that they can actually gives us the kind of content we should expect out of CCP. (This last statement is not a troll.)

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#83 - 2013-02-26 21:57:39 UTC
The only problem with Incarna was it was advertised and presented as a full-on expansion, but arrived half-baked and only one of four CQ's completed.

Disappointing yes, but the feature still has tremendous potential.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#84 - 2013-02-26 22:02:09 UTC
it takes more juice than the game that's sort of ridiculous.

my PSU fan comes on everytime I enter CQ.

Sometimes I like to sit and drink a beer and stare at FlumZ on TV for a bit. someone really needs to shoot him a lot.

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Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#85 - 2013-02-26 22:05:50 UTC
WiS was a great idea that got bitchslapped with :awesome:

Now let it just die like COSMOS and all other unfinished features.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#86 - 2013-02-26 22:13:23 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
it takes more juice than the game that's sort of ridiculous.

my PSU fan comes on everytime I enter CQ.

Sometimes I like to sit and drink a beer and stare at FlumZ on TV for a bit. someone really needs to shoot him a lot.



Mine doesn't and it's not that fancy (nVidia gt260) with all settings on high.

Have you installed and run SpeedFan, and checked your card's max temp specification to see what's really going on or if there is even cause to worry ?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#87 - 2013-02-26 22:15:06 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
WiS was a great idea that got bitchslapped with :awesome:

Now let it just die like COSMOS and all other unfinished features.



The better idea is to finish them.

Why all the grumpy 'give-ups' lately ?

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#88 - 2013-02-26 22:23:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
Lapine Davion wrote:
I'm just really in disagreement with this. Yeah, Incarna was kind of bad, but i think that if CCP can get their design **** together I think that they can actually gives us the kind of content we should expect out of CCP. (This last statement is not a troll.)


Yup. Incarna failed because their process was crap, and they were looking well beyond the game into high-fashion interactive virtual reality (I'm not kidding) and other tangencies. From what I can see of their new process and their renewed commitment to the game, any subsequent iterations on Incarna content will not suffer from :18months:. Also, the last expansion in particular has given me hope that the team of Unifex, Seagull and Ripley can deliver.

This is awesome in its own way. Obviously, far more work was done on station environments than what we see.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#89 - 2013-02-26 22:36:48 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
it takes more juice than the game that's sort of ridiculous.

my PSU fan comes on everytime I enter CQ.

Sometimes I like to sit and drink a beer and stare at FlumZ on TV for a bit. someone really needs to shoot him a lot.



Mine doesn't and it's not that fancy (nVidia gt260) with all settings on high.

Have you installed and run SpeedFan, and checked your card's max temp specification to see what's really going on or if there is even cause to worry ?


i think i maybe got it wrong and it's the card's fans not the PSU fan. which is less worrisome.

launching CQ can kick it up to over 50C though, according to MSI afterburner.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#90 - 2013-02-26 22:45:42 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:


launching CQ can kick it up to over 50C though, according to MSI afterburner.



My nvidia gt260 max temp is 105 C. And that's common apparently, so what's the issue ?

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#91 - 2013-02-26 22:51:27 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:


launching CQ can kick it up to over 50C though, according to MSI afterburner.



My nvidia gt260 max temp is 105 C. And that's common apparently, so what's the issue ?


none apparently, except that rendering my CQ apparently takes more juice than everything on grid at dodixie and that's with a 660ti.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#92 - 2013-02-26 22:54:20 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:


launching CQ can kick it up to over 50C though, according to MSI afterburner.



My nvidia gt260 max temp is 105 C. And that's common apparently, so what's the issue ?


none apparently, except that rendering my CQ apparently takes more juice than everything on grid at dodixie and that's with a 660ti.



Your card is rated at 97 C max. Again, why the concern ?

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-660ti/specifications

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#93 - 2013-02-26 22:57:38 UTC
I think the folks who hated Incarna WIS were just trying to stir up drama with "hot video cards", which may be true but most of the time with a descent card means absolutely nothing. The fan kicking on is just a sign that it is doing its job.

What was all the money spent for with an expensive card if it's not even pushed to half it's limit ?

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#94 - 2013-02-26 22:59:14 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Your card is rated at 97 C max. Again, why the concern ?

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-660ti/specifications


I'm less concerned about my video card as I am about the future of WiS if rendering one room and character causes my card to behave like I just launched BF3.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#95 - 2013-02-26 23:10:29 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Your card is rated at 97 C max. Again, why the concern ?

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-660ti/specifications


I'm less concerned about my video card as I am about the future of WiS if rendering one room and character causes my card to behave like I just launched BF3.



Again, the card is just doing it's job and is not in any danger.

What is so hard to grasp about this ?

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-02-26 23:14:55 UTC
Moving forward with WiS, would entail deleting it, IMO.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#97 - 2013-02-26 23:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Sura Sadiva
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I think the folks who hated Incarna WIS were just trying to stir up drama with "hot video cards", which may be true but most of the time with a descent card means absolutely nothing. The fan kicking on is just a sign that it is doing its job.

What was all the money spent for with an expensive card if it's not even pushed to half it's limit ?


Well, no; the performance problem was real at the Incarna release.

Not only overheatting, in general CQ rendering was a severe load for the client. And the code was bugged as well. I think this made impossible to release a multiuser avatar envinronment without allocating enough resources for several months after Incarna. And CCP resources were (as still are) absorbed by Dust.

So, not being able to deliver a multiuser setting any further impementation lost sense.

But anyway in all the expansions after Incarna (till retribution) they kept reiterating on CQ fixing rendering bugs and optizzing the code. Now seems pretty polished and stable to me. On my nvidia gt250 I have no problem in running 2 clients with CQ at max graphic settings and even after almost 2 years still the best avatar engine on the market.

I think the elements for a limited (5-10 avatar) multiusers envinroments are all already in, they only need to be rearranged and provided with a UI.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#98 - 2013-02-26 23:25:05 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I think the folks who hated Incarna WIS were just trying to stir up drama with "hot video cards", which may be true but most of the time with a descent card means absolutely nothing. The fan kicking on is just a sign that it is doing its job.

What was all the money spent for with an expensive card if it's not even pushed to half it's limit ?


Well, no; the performance problem was real at the Incarna release.

Not only overheatting, in general CQ rendering was a severe load for the client. And the code was bugged as well. I think this made impossible to release a multiuser avatar envinronment without allocating enough resources for several months after Incarna. And CCP resources were (as still are) absorbed by Dust.

So, not being able to deliver a multiuser setting any further impementation lost sense.

But anyway in all the expansions after Incarna (till retribution) they kept reiterating on CQ fixing rendering bugs and optizzing the code. Now seems pretty polished and stable to me. On my nvidia gt250 I have no problem in running 2 clients with CQ at max graphic settings and even after almost 2 years still the best avatar engine on the market.

I think the elements for a limited (5-10 avatar) multiusers envinroments are all already in, they only need to be rearranged and provided with a UI.



Exactly.

Thanks.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2013-02-27 01:11:48 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
make a conference room so that us elite corp and alliance leaders can sit around a big space table while our leader talks to us via holovid screen and we all talk in faux-british accents about alliance affairs


Don't forget a large trash chute for disposing the remains of officers who have disappointed your leaders.

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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#100 - 2013-02-27 14:43:42 UTC
They promised me i'll be able to throw grenades at other players' avatars when in station and steal whatever they had in their pockets.

And then beat them in an turn-based minigame and take whatever money they had left.

And after that, invite them to a drink at my corp's strip club.



... THEY STILL DIDN'T FULFILL THEIR PROMISE.