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Mag's
Azn Empire
#121 - 2013-02-26 18:48:09 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:



Once again people will try hard to justify taking advantage of exploits. I don’t know if it’s to make themselves feel better or if their worried they may get banned if deemed a banable exploit. I am sure it’s not to maintain the high moral standards or sense of honor and integrity that most players fail to bring to eve.

Here it is in a nutshell. All those people rushing to fly in fleets of combat battle cruisers who never flew them before are exploiting the system. just because there is no bug doesnt mean the situation isn't being exploited.

If this was working as intended then why did they fix it?


Even my 8 year old knows right from wrong and has free will to choose and she knows she will be held accountable for those choices just as the rest of us as a gaming community will be held accountable in the end for the game we create.
What exploit and when was it fixed?

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Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#122 - 2013-02-26 20:18:51 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
They did tell us.

nope... we went through the patch notes. not one word. I would gladly love to see where they told us :)


CCP Fozzie wrote:
As a more neutral side effect that is still worth noting: the Combat and Attack Battlecruisers, as well as the Blockade Runners and Deep Space Transports, will now be in separate groups. This means anyone with custom overviews will need to add the new Attack Battlecruiser group and the new Blockade Runner group to their list of groups that show up on the overview. The default overviews will be adjusted automatically.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2482199#post2482199

Also read this post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2642754#post2642754



Your quoting from the forums? This is not notifying all Eve players. It is notifying players on the forums - there is a HUGE difference as not all players go to the forums my friend. Try again.


You're on the forums now, is it really that hard to read devblogs?

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#123 - 2013-02-26 21:15:10 UTC
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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#124 - 2013-02-26 21:56:01 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
This just in: flying an attack battlecruiser is an exploit, don't do it!

Seriously though, that's what some of you are saying, which just blows my mind.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#125 - 2013-02-26 23:43:55 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Twist it around and word it it how ever you want and justify taking advantage of it how you like. It doent change it. If they make a patch and that patch causes an issue and people rush to take advantage of the issue that is NOT working as intended then that would be an exploit.
Except that it is working as intended. CCP maintains the Default Overview filters. If you make and use custom ones, it is your job to keep them current and useful. If you failed to do your job... The Default Overviews were maintained, and Attack BCs and Blockade Runners are visible to those using them.
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So in a way you may be correct because it truely iisnt a matter of interpitation but that of a definition. A bug is not always exploitable. A bug could be a simple graphics glitch or mission error.
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Once again people will try hard to justify taking advantage of exploits. I don’t know if it’s to make themselves feel better or if their worried they may get banned if deemed a banable exploit. I am sure it’s not to maintain the high moral standards or sense of honor and integrity that most players fail to bring to eve.


Except that it still isn't an Exploit when someone takes advantage of your fail to perform routine maintenance on your custom overviews. If you do not want to perform routine maintenance on your custom overviews, CCP has a number of pretty decent default overviews that were all updated automatically.

Or are you claiming it is an exploit in other cases where you screw up in creating/maintaining your custom overviews?

In other words, when everything is working as intended (and per CCP, the fact that you would need to update your custom overviews) was a known and accepted part of the change (i.e. not a bug), there can be no exploit.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2013-02-26 23:48:02 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Once again people will try hard to justify taking advantage of exploits.

You're saying that flying a certain class of ship in the game is an exploit.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Don't you see how ridiculous that is?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#127 - 2013-02-27 04:00:38 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Once again people will try hard to justify taking advantage of exploits.

You're saying that flying a certain class of ship in the game is an exploit.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Don't you see how ridiculous that is?


The most charitable way to read his argument is: "Killing someone using their ignorance of a change introduced by a patch whose existance they didn't bother reading about is an exploit."

Which means he is arguing that the couple of killright Freighter kills that happened shortly after Retribution hit were "taking advantage of an exploit." And the logoffski Super kills after Crucible (like the ratting Rag). And anyone who died because their logi went suspect. And so on...

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#128 - 2013-02-27 04:34:37 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
They did tell us.

nope... we went through the patch notes. not one word. I would gladly love to see where they told us :)


CCP Fozzie wrote:
As a more neutral side effect that is still worth noting: the Combat and Attack Battlecruisers, as well as the Blockade Runners and Deep Space Transports, will now be in separate groups. This means anyone with custom overviews will need to add the new Attack Battlecruiser group and the new Blockade Runner group to their list of groups that show up on the overview. The default overviews will be adjusted automatically.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2482199#post2482199

Also read this post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2642754#post2642754



Your quoting from the forums? This is not notifying all Eve players. It is notifying players on the forums - there is a HUGE difference as not all players go to the forums my friend. Try again.


The patch notes are also only available on the forums, therefore you had to come to the forums and there is a feedback thread where you could of learnt this information that has been available on the forums that you have now posted in. o/ by the way. If I had my way though each major section of the patch notes would have a check box and each check box has to be "ticked" with a final "I have read the patch notes" tick before you can get to reaffirming the TOS and EULA.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#129 - 2013-02-27 05:33:41 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
So wait the argument is that some one makes an exclusive setting, new ship isnt on there, thus no one should use the ship because it is cheating?

Never before have I felt the need to say HTFU, but this is the perfect time whiners.



So wait... you think you just understood what you read in the OP.. but you don't. No one said that the ship should not be used.

so HTFU is not even relevant in this discussion. You just wanted to copycat what others said so you think you look cool IMO

get original.

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BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#130 - 2013-02-27 05:54:17 UTC
Super spikinator wrote:
The patch notes are also only available on the forums, therefore you had to come to the forums and there is a feedback thread where you could of learnt this information that has been available on the forums that you have now posted in. o/ by the way. If I had my way though each major section of the patch notes would have a check box and each check box has to be "ticked" with a final "I have read the patch notes" tick before you can get to reaffirming the TOS and EULA.


The patch notes have a link on the Eve launcher. So all players can see.

We can keep reahashing this over and over. It's a waste of time. The whole reason for this post was for players to be notified that new ships were added to overview, and for people to realize that those 2 ships won't show up on overview/D-scan. My hope was that this info be put into patch notes.. Simple. Everyone can keep whining about what I read and don't and how I should have followed the patch notes with forum posts, and dev blogs.. etc etc etc. My point is valid. Many older players know to check overview after patches. I do now also. But newer players won't and I think they should be rewarded with good info if they are bright enough to read the patch notes.

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#131 - 2013-02-27 06:08:40 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
So wait the argument is that some one makes an exclusive setting, new ship isnt on there, thus no one should use the ship because it is cheating?

Never before have I felt the need to say HTFU, but this is the perfect time whiners.



So wait... you think you just understood what you read in the OP.. but you don't. No one said that the ship should not be used.

so HTFU is not even relevant in this discussion. You just wanted to copycat what others said so you think you look cool IMO

get original.

Actually I just read the title and made a guess.

So could you summarize then?
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#132 - 2013-02-27 06:13:22 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
So wait the argument is that some one makes an exclusive setting, new ship isnt on there, thus no one should use the ship because it is cheating?

Never before have I felt the need to say HTFU, but this is the perfect time whiners.



So wait... you think you just understood what you read in the OP.. but you don't. No one said that the ship should not be used.

so HTFU is not even relevant in this discussion. You just wanted to copycat what others said so you think you look cool IMO

get original.

Actually I just read the title and made a guess.

So could you summarize then?


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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#133 - 2013-02-27 06:14:12 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Once again people will try hard to justify taking advantage of exploits.

You're saying that flying a certain class of ship in the game is an exploit.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Don't you see how ridiculous that is?


The most charitable way to read his argument is: "Killing someone using their ignorance of a change introduced by a patch whose existance they didn't bother reading about is an exploit."

Which means he is arguing that the couple of killright Freighter kills that happened shortly after Retribution hit were "taking advantage of an exploit." And the logoffski Super kills after Crucible (like the ratting Rag). And anyone who died because their logi went suspect. And so on...

How am I supposed to know if someone is ignorant of a change?
That's the problem, if someone attempted to enforce this rule it would come down to "you flew this kind of ship, you're using an exploit."

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dark heartt
#134 - 2013-02-27 06:18:52 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
They did tell us.

nope... we went through the patch notes. not one word. I would gladly love to see where they told us :)


CCP Fozzie wrote:
As a more neutral side effect that is still worth noting: the Combat and Attack Battlecruisers, as well as the Blockade Runners and Deep Space Transports, will now be in separate groups. This means anyone with custom overviews will need to add the new Attack Battlecruiser group and the new Blockade Runner group to their list of groups that show up on the overview. The default overviews will be adjusted automatically.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2482199#post2482199

Also read this post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2642754#post2642754



Your quoting from the forums? This is not notifying all Eve players. It is notifying players on the forums - there is a HUGE difference as not all players go to the forums my friend. Try again.


If people are too stupid to come to where a lot of Eve info is posted then they deserve whatever fate they get. Not knowing is no excuse for stupidity.

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BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#135 - 2013-02-27 06:30:02 UTC
dark heartt wrote:

If people are too stupid to come to where a lot of Eve info is posted then they deserve whatever fate they get. Not knowing is no excuse for stupidity.


Since your ignorant of what was read and not read you really shouldn't post on a thread you don't understand.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#136 - 2013-02-27 06:41:47 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Once again people will try hard to justify taking advantage of exploits.

You're saying that flying a certain class of ship in the game is an exploit.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Don't you see how ridiculous that is?


The most charitable way to read his argument is: "Killing someone using their ignorance of a change introduced by a patch whose existance they didn't bother reading about is an exploit."

Which means he is arguing that the couple of killright Freighter kills that happened shortly after Retribution hit were "taking advantage of an exploit." And the logoffski Super kills after Crucible (like the ratting Rag). And anyone who died because their logi went suspect. And so on...

How am I supposed to know if someone is ignorant of a change?
That's the problem, if someone attempted to enforce this rule it would come down to "you flew this kind of ship, you're using an exploit."


Yep, it would be an arms race of ignorance. Whoever could stay ignorant of a change the longest could get their non-ignorant enemies labeled as exploiters.

OP's EVE Online: Ignorance is not only Bliss, it's a strategic asset.

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#137 - 2013-02-27 08:02:09 UTC
Now you guys are just all replying for the sport of it, right?
'For ***** and giggles' as they say...


My 2 cents:

It should have been in the patch notes. It wasn't.
Next time, CCP should put it in the patch notes to prevent forum warriors from going to war.


Thanks to the OP for pointing this out. I'm sure it will be in the next patch notes (possibly they will forget mentioning another important new "feature" but... yeah).

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dark heartt
#138 - 2013-02-27 08:09:41 UTC  |  Edited by: dark heartt
BoSau Hotim wrote:
dark heartt wrote:

If people are too stupid to come to where a lot of Eve info is posted then they deserve whatever fate they get. Not knowing is no excuse for stupidity.


Since your ignorant of what was read and not read you really shouldn't post on a thread you don't understand.


Hahahahahaha yeah I'm the ignorant one for paying attention and reading the forums for info like this. If people don't read the forums and miss pieces of info that are posted here, how is that my fault. It's not my fault someone is getting mad for an 'issue' that actually doesn't exist, and was addressed in a dev post on the forums.

I understand that yes to those who didn't read it the fact that certain BC's and the blockade runners not showing up was annoying, and confusing. But geez man a quick check on google or the dev posts on the forums would have told you about it.

People need to quit whining about every little change that is made that they missed.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I don't agree that CCP didn't explicitly put that change in the patch notes, and that sort of stuff shouldn't happen. But the info was there for those who cared to take the time to find it.

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Maruk Ihnati
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#139 - 2013-02-27 08:13:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Maruk Ihnati
I'm guessing the "if you can fly it now, you can fly it later" means "if you can see it now, you won't be seeing it later".

And no, some post on the forums about it is not the same as including it in the patch notes.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#140 - 2013-02-27 08:16:18 UTC
dark heartt wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
dark heartt wrote:

If people are too stupid to come to where a lot of Eve info is posted then they deserve whatever fate they get. Not knowing is no excuse for stupidity.


Since your ignorant of what was read and not read you really shouldn't post on a thread you don't understand.


Hahahahahaha yeah I'm the ignorant one for paying attention and reading the forums for info like this. If people don't read the forums and miss pieces of info that are posted here, how is that my fault. It's not my fault someone is getting mad for an 'issue' that actually doesn't exist, and was addressed in a dev post on the forums.

I understand that yes to those who didn't read it the fact that certain BC's and the blockade runners not showing up was annoying, and confusing. But geez man a quick check on google or the dev posts on the forums would have told you about it.

People need to quit whining about every little change that is made that they missed.



patch notes are for patches. I read the patch notes. It should have been in the patch notes that are linked directly on the Eve launcher. I have a valid point. There is no whining here - funny how people assume its whining when it is a legit post. Especially for new players who dont' know how these things work. I suggest when you first post on a new thread you use your obvious intelligence for everyone's benefit and not call them stupid. Newer players aren't stupid. They just need a little help at times to know what to do after each patch.

Patch notes linked from Eve launcher is where all of this should be is my opinion. There is no reason to be rude about it.

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