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OMG HORSE MEAT IN IKEA´s MEATBALLS!!!!!

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#41 - 2013-02-26 17:10:50 UTC
Astenion wrote:


...Stuff...


In short, you've got no idea how to deal with the specific problem as discussed, and you want us to ignore it.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#42 - 2013-02-26 17:12:44 UTC
Astenion wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Astenion wrote:


Horse meat is the least of your worries when it comes to mass-produced meat. Stop eating crappy, mass-produced garbage and you won't have to worry about anything is all I'm saying. Just look at what it was found in: Findus frozen "lasagne", IKEA frozen meatballs, Burger King....see the pattern? If you have a diet of crappy food, then you're going to ingest crap. There are just as many if not more drugs in all other types of meat as there are in horse.



So, do you know how many people can afford an utterly guaranteed organic unadulterated T-Bone steak every day ?

Worldwide, not that many.

Get off your high horse (pun intended).


What "utterly organic, unadulterated T-Bone steak" are you talking about? Organic? WTF does organic have to do with knowing where your meat comes from, and who eats steak every day? I'm talking all types of meat, not just beef. Know where your ground beef comes from, your sausage, your steak, your pork roast, your pork chops, your pork ribs, etc. You should never, ever buy any type of meat with a company label on it. Meat should be fresh. If you're eating mass-produced meat, you get what you pay for.

See, this is the problem in the US: you think it's either mass-produced or some hippie organic crap and that's your only choice. Go to a butcher shop and ask questions and find out for yourself. Take an interest in what you're putting in your body and make an informed, well-rounded decision, not some knee-jerk reaction to horse meat based on what someone linked you on Facebook.


Alright.

Full of troll (especially the Facebook thing which implies really psychic abilities on your part as I 'quit' it 2 years ago).


And...................BLOCKED.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#43 - 2013-02-26 17:13:20 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
silens vesica wrote:

* Pressure such as : Low margin business can't face the costs of missing a shipment, or maybe his boss is screaming at him for better numbers, or maybe he's got a mistress who needs support - Or maybe his kids need braces.



.....or just plain GREED with no underlying reason.

Usually not, though. People are basically decent, most often, so long as they're able to be so. Unfortunately, some places the 'act decent' threshold is easily overcome.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#44 - 2013-02-26 17:17:23 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Astenion wrote:

There are drugs in horses that are dangerous to humans.

What is hard to understand about that ?
Modification: There may be drugs in horse meat which are harmful to humans. Mislabeled meat means you can't know what quality of horse meat is involved. And that is a serious issue. Astenion, can you accurately and with documentation assert that I am wrong? If no, then STFU until such time as that changes.


As I understand it, a large portion of the Horsemeat may be imported from the US, where they are raised under US law which requires they be treated as pets and have the appropriate vaccinations and drugs which contaminate the flesh for the Human food chain. This is the fear in Continental Europe where its considered a mislabelling with funny Brits off their rocker with eating their pets (its like an American finding out he's eating a Dog, lets just call it a cultural difference and leave it at that).

AS I understand it there is already heavy restrictions on foodstuffs being imported from the US because of potential GM contamination and (as elaborated in shows like Boston Legal better than I can articulate) and not testing for Mad Cow disease. If US firms are found to be a part of this then we could see a major spat at the WTO, the EU demanding minimum inspection standards or a ban on food imports from its trading partners, which would be over and above standards the Democrats would propose. The EU can't grow all its food "local" but it sure as hell can feed itself at a cost that the population is willing to pay for, and the new wave of vegetarianism going on because of this....

You have some quaint ideas about the treatment of horses in the US.

Also: Very little US horsemeat goes to Europe - Our racetrack drugs make it highly undesireable. Mostly, Mexico. Some to Canada. And it usually comes right back in the form of pet food.

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-02-26 17:17:26 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Astenion wrote:


...Stuff...


In short, you've got no idea how to deal with the specific problem as discussed, and you want us to ignore it.


Well, why don't you read my last two posts, as it explains how to avoid this problem:

1. Don't buy processed and mass-produced meat from the grocery store.

2. Know where your meat comes from.

3. Buy your meat fresh from a good butcher shop.

4. ????

5. Profit.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-02-26 17:20:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Alright.

Full of troll (especially the Facebook thing which implies really psychic abilities on your part as I 'quit' it 2 years ago).


And...................BLOCKED.


Aaaaaand someone doesn't understand sarcasm.

Or the English language, for that matter. I poked holes in every one of your arguments and offered valid suggestions that most healthy consumers abide by, but that wasn't good enough because you'd rather take your ball and go home than listen to good advice.

So go ahead and block me and keep getting fatter and sicker because I'm obviously "full of troll". Roll
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#47 - 2013-02-26 17:23:46 UTC
Most people around the world cannot even begin to afford the cost of any kind of 'real, unadultrated, local, never touched by a corporation' meat at all.

I make a descent living and even I can't afford it. Could not even begin to do that.

Not that I'm a socialist, but there were regulatory agencies out there put in place by governments to make sure these things do not happen. Obviously there has developed a disconnect and obvious flaws in regular monitoring have occurred and over time developed to an obvious crisis point.

People depend on their governments and their agencies to make sure this does not happen, but the truth is being revealed.

And absolutely any other point aside, the now discovered nefarious practices still falls firmly in the realm of false advertising, fraud, and endangerment to human life.

All that needs to happen is a complete overhaul of the industry and it's monitoring agencies. That's really not that hard or difficult to achieve.

Yet troll-face up there is trying to say, screw it all. Spend a fortune on your meat.......and I guess let the poor continue to suffer eating mislabeled harmful garbage....and really do nothing. He offers no real solutions, except to show us the extent of a truly elitist worldview.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#48 - 2013-02-26 17:24:52 UTC
Astenion wrote:


Wow. Just wow. The solution is, as I've stated umpteen times: STOP EATING CRAPPY, MASS-PRODUCED MEAT.

THERE IS A CHOICE! KNOW WHERE YOUR MEAT COMES FROM! Even other people here have already stated that you should buy local when it comes to meat. Why are you buying processed, frozen meat? GO TO YOUR LOCAL BUTCHER AND ASK QUESTIONS! Where is the disconnect here?

Why does the general public have "no choice but to trust the meat companies"? There's your problem right there: MEAT COMPANIES. You answered your own question.
Troll confirmed.
The simple, bad fact is that most folks do not, indeed, have that choice that you assert they have. *I* can buy local - Because I live in an agricultural region. It's expensive, but I can do it. But where, tell me, are the inhabitants of, say, New York City, or perhaps, London, going to go to find their vast herds of happy meat? No bloody where, that's where. They're going to have it brought to them by meat packing companies, because there is no other way that will work economically.

STFU until you can come up with something that is not pointless and useless.

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-02-26 17:26:33 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Astenion wrote:

There are drugs in horses that are dangerous to humans.

What is hard to understand about that ?
Modification: There may be drugs in horse meat which are harmful to humans. Mislabeled meat means you can't know what quality of horse meat is involved. And that is a serious issue. Astenion, can you accurately and with documentation assert that I am wrong? If no, then STFU until such time as that changes.


As I understand it, a large portion of the Horsemeat may be imported from the US, where they are raised under US law which requires they be treated as pets and have the appropriate vaccinations and drugs which contaminate the flesh for the Human food chain. This is the fear in Continental Europe where its considered a mislabelling with funny Brits off their rocker with eating their pets (its like an American finding out he's eating a Dog, lets just call it a cultural difference and leave it at that).

AS I understand it there is already heavy restrictions on foodstuffs being imported from the US because of potential GM contamination and (as elaborated in shows like Boston Legal better than I can articulate) and not testing for Mad Cow disease. If US firms are found to be a part of this then we could see a major spat at the WTO, the EU demanding minimum inspection standards or a ban on food imports from its trading partners, which would be over and above standards the Democrats would propose. The EU can't grow all its food "local" but it sure as hell can feed itself at a cost that the population is willing to pay for, and the new wave of vegetarianism going on because of this....

You have some quaint ideas about the treatment of horses in the US.

Also: Very little US horsemeat goes to Europe - Our racetrack drugs make it highly undesireable. Mostly, Mexico. Some to Canada. And it usually comes right back in the form of pet food.


This is actually true. Horses do make their way into dog food, as do cows, chickens, goats, ashes, and other dogs. Hot dogs tend to have the same ingredients that dog food has, it's just a little further up the chain when we eat it. Dogs get everything left over.

There are other horses besides thoroughbreds, however. Not all horses are drugged-out racehorses, as there are many quarter horses who are fit for consumption.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-02-26 17:32:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
silens vesica wrote:
Astenion wrote:


Wow. Just wow. The solution is, as I've stated umpteen times: STOP EATING CRAPPY, MASS-PRODUCED MEAT.

THERE IS A CHOICE! KNOW WHERE YOUR MEAT COMES FROM! Even other people here have already stated that you should buy local when it comes to meat. Why are you buying processed, frozen meat? GO TO YOUR LOCAL BUTCHER AND ASK QUESTIONS! Where is the disconnect here?

Why does the general public have "no choice but to trust the meat companies"? There's your problem right there: MEAT COMPANIES. You answered your own question.
Troll confirmed.
The simple, bad fact is that most folks do not, indeed, have that choice that you assert they have. *I* can buy local - Because I live in an agricultural region. It's expensive, but I can do it. But where, tell me, are the inhabitants of, say, New York City, or perhaps, London, going to go to find their vast herds of happy meat? No bloody where, that's where. They're going to have it brought to them by meat packing companies, because there is no other way that will work economically.

STFU until you can come up with something that is not pointless and useless.


So there are no local butcher shops in NYC? Are you high? I live in an agricultural region as well, but I'm not an idiot and I realize that buying locally doesn't mean it's raised in the butcher's back yard. All meat that's not raised on your own farm is brought in from somewhere else, even in agricultural regions. This is where knowing where it comes from applies. Some of the meat here comes from Germany, Austria, even the UK. However, it's thoroughly tested and strictly controlled. I choose locally-procured meat when I can, but I do realize that you can't always have your neighbor's cow to eat. Still, that doesn't mean you have to just stick your head in the sand and hope you're gonna get good meat. A reputable butcher will buy good meat even if it's brought from somewhere else. You're not gonna get that at a national chain grocery store...THAT'S the point I'm making.

Buying local doesn't mean just buying from your neighbor; it means buying from your vicinity, and the EU actually has great quality meat even if it's not in your own region. I'd rather have salame from Calabria over salame from my own region because it's better. Again, just know where it comes from.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#51 - 2013-02-26 17:41:48 UTC
Kirjava wrote:

AS I understand it there is already heavy restrictions on foodstuffs being imported from the US because of potential GM contamination and (as elaborated in shows like Boston Legal better than I can articulate) and not testing for Mad Cow disease. If US firms are found to be a part of this then we could see a major spat at the WTO, the EU demanding minimum inspection standards or a ban on food imports from its trading partners, which would be over and above standards the Democrats would propose. The EU can't grow all its food "local" but it sure as hell can feed itself at a cost that the population is willing to pay for, and the new wave of vegetarianism going on because of this....



Not sure if you meant imported to the US or exported from the US. FDA are quite fanatical about testing for Mad Cow. We also have restrictions on the UK due to their Mad Cow scare (back the 80's I think). Also as a result of all of that, people who have been to or lived in the UK around that time are not allowed to donate blood. In any case, even if they find it in one cow they will pull everything from that entire stock just to be sure.

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-02-26 17:59:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Most people around the world cannot even begin to afford the cost of any kind of 'real, unadultrated, local, never touched by a corporation' meat at all.

I make a descent living and even I can't afford it. Could not even begin to do that.

Not that I'm a socialist, but there were regulatory agencies out there put in place by governments to make sure these things do not happen. Obviously there has developed a disconnect and obvious flaws in regular monitoring have occurred and over time developed to an obvious crisis point.

People depend on their governments and their agencies to make sure this does not happen, but the truth is being revealed.

And absolutely any other point aside, the now discovered nefarious practices still falls firmly in the realm of false advertising, fraud, and endangerment to human life.

All that needs to happen is a complete overhaul of the industry and it's monitoring agencies. That's really not that hard or difficult to achieve.

Yet troll-face up there is trying to say, screw it all. Spend a fortune on your meat.......and I guess let the poor continue to suffer eating mislabeled harmful garbage....and really do nothing. He offers no real solutions, except to show us the extent of a truly elitist worldview.


Where did I say "screw it all"? Dude, seriously...can you even comprehend what you read? What I said was that the sad state of mass meat production is so terrible that this entire horse debacle is the least of your worries, that you should be worried about THE ENTIRE PROCESS, rather than a bit of horse meat found in awful frozen food.

Again, do you not understand that frozen food is generally bad for you, and that you shouldn't even buy it in the first place? Furthermore, you're not supposed to eat a lot of meat; meat is expensive because it's a luxury. I don't eat meat every day because it's bad for you to do so, therefore I incorporate lots of vegetables into my diet. If you think you should be able to eat meat every single day and not have health problems, you're part of the problem and people like you are directly contributing to all the shortcuts taken by these mass-producing beef companies and lax health regulations.

The entire premise of EVERY_SINGLE_ONE of my posts is that the meat industry is corrupt and needs to be overhauled, and that freaking out over horse meat in your frozen meat patties full of ashes and dead carcasses is like eating poop and complaining that it's not good for you. I can't afford to eat beef every single day, neither would I choose to do so because IT'S BAD FOR YOU, and not just because of some frozen dinners, but because a diet full of meat will lead straight to heart disease. Poor, rich, it doesn't matter; if you eat too much meat, you're going to get sick and fat and die early. Why are you so offended by this? Is this concept new to you? I remember learning when I was about 3 years old that a healthy diet should contain more vegetables and starch than meat. If you think you should be able to eat lots of meat every single day without repercussions, and that horse found in a few IKEA meatballs is going to kill you instead of your terrible diet, then you are the problem.

If anyone's saying "screw it all", it's you. You feel entitled to eat whatever you want and that all meat should be cheap and full of sunshine and vitamin C and rainbows, and this is just impossible. Meat should be eaten responsibly, yet it is YOUR attitude of "I should be able to eat anything I want" that perpetuates the horrendous state of affairs the meat industry is in today. The demand of meat has shot through the roof and the companies have no way of countering it without taking shortcuts due to people who share your attitude towards meat. Eat some broccoli and rice every now and then. Have a carrot. Eat an apple. Put the hamburger down and stop eating meat like you've got two buttholes.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2013-02-26 18:30:54 UTC
Ikea does food now?
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-02-26 18:38:45 UTC
If you wanna call it that, HAHA! I do love their dill and mustard sauce.
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#55 - 2013-02-26 19:10:23 UTC
Horse tastes good :3

wumbo

Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#56 - 2013-02-26 19:20:23 UTC
Buy local don't eat horses..this is bigger issue in "developed" country's where eating healthy will cost you extra and where bad food is norm.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#57 - 2013-02-26 20:45:46 UTC
Astenion wrote:

So there are no local butcher shops in NYC? Are you high?
And where the hell do you think they get their meat? From a meat packing company! Dur...

Many folks - maybe most - can't afford that kind of a hit on their food buget, anyway. So, they should, by force of lower income, be forced to eat susbstandard food? Seems to me that's the consequences of your willfully ignorant attitude. Perhaps you'll suggest next that they should eat cake, if bread is to pricy?

Maybe you'd like to introduce a Modest Proposal?


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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-02-26 20:48:46 UTC
Exactly. Countries who have real food and health standards don't have to worry about buying only local or organic food and don't have ridiculous fears of eating horse.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#59 - 2013-02-26 21:00:54 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Astenion wrote:

So there are no local butcher shops in NYC? Are you high?
And where the hell do you think they get their meat? From a meat packing company! Dur...

Many folks - maybe most - can't afford that kind of a hit on their food buget, anyway. So, they should, by force of lower income, be forced to eat susbstandard food? Seems to me that's the consequences of your willfully ignorant attitude. Perhaps you'll suggest next that they should eat cake, if bread is to pricy?

Maybe you'd like to introduce a Modest Proposal?




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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-02-26 21:14:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
silens vesica wrote:
Astenion wrote:

So there are no local butcher shops in NYC? Are you high?
And where the hell do you think they get their meat? From a meat packing company! Dur...

Many folks - maybe most - can't afford that kind of a hit on their food buget, anyway. So, they should, by force of lower income, be forced to eat susbstandard food? Seems to me that's the consequences of your willfully ignorant attitude. Perhaps you'll suggest next that they should eat cake, if bread is to pricy?

Maybe you'd like to introduce a Modest Proposal?




Did you just read the first line of my post and completely skip the rest? I think you did. I'm not going to explain it again just because you cba to read.

NEWS FLASH! ALL MEAT THAT'S NOT SLAUGHTERED AND PACKED AT HOME GOES TO A MEAT PACKING COMPANY. Buying at a butcher shop already puts you way ahead of the curve of everyone else. Your local butcher is much more choosy and much more attentive to the meat he or she buys because that's his or her livelihood, whereas a national food chain grocery store doesn't give a rat's ass.

If you had read more than two sentences of my post, I wouldn't have had to explain it a second, no, third time.

I'm here giving you ideas and advice from experience. I grew up on a ranch that raised beef cattle. I now live in a country whose citizens are probably the fussiest and pickiest eaters in the world. I live on a meager wage and live in a very modest household, yet I'm able to eat healthily and have no problems here with the meat due to eating right and knowing what and what not to eat. If you're eating substandard food, it's YOUR OWN FAULT FOR BUYING SUBSTANDARD FOOD. You will not find healthy ingredients in frozen food, as it's full of preservatives and chemicals. You're trying to get oil from a water spout, and I'm telling you that you can't. It's as simple as that. Food in a jar is not food. It's not going to kill you, but it's definitely not good for you. You can't eat frozen food and then ***** about how you didn't know it wasn't good for you. Did you think it's normal for food to keep for so long without additives and preservatives and chemicals?

The fact that this is news to people and the fact that they are forced to buy organic food is a clear sign of people's ignorance when it comes to food. Learn how to eat first, then from there you will be able to make informed decisions. You don't need a lot of money to eat well. If you think you do, you've got big problems and you need to correct it fast.