These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Intergalactic Summit

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

Aritcio Keeps On Failing

Author
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-02-26 18:34:00 UTC
Amusing.


Perhaps he didn't learn how to manage his realm the first time?

One might hope Jamyl can fail less at something and show him some proper methodology.



Sabik now, Sabik forever

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2013-02-26 18:44:17 UTC
I hardly think that an heir doing something that he's been authorised to do counts as a scandal.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-02-26 18:46:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Silas Vitalia
i'd say cutting out Holders from their traditional decision-making roles and being replaced by 'learned' scholars is quite the scandal.

If this policy was authorized surely they had no need to be meeting in secret?

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Lorcan Orphrey
Abthane Laboratories
#4 - 2013-02-26 18:53:55 UTC
I'd say the scandal is that the Holders involved didn't realise they weren't involved in decision making until a report told them so.
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#5 - 2013-02-26 19:03:24 UTC
Traditionally, the Theologians advise the Holders, who then advise the Heir ?

And this has been Replaced, such that the Theologians advise the Heir Directly ?

Thus, leaving the vassal Holders without any Input into the Decisions that Affect them ?

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.

Nick Shale
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#6 - 2013-02-26 19:37:02 UTC
it seems you fellas overlook the real reason for this report.

Quote:
Also documented in the report are details of war efforts taken by House Kor-Azor on direction from these think-tanks, including conscription rates, judicial decisions and taxation, as well as major infrastructure and manufacturing projects for the Imperial Navy and 24th Imperial Crusade.


read this along with the Ardishapur initiative and you start to get the picture
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#7 - 2013-02-26 20:54:40 UTC
"Also documented in the report are details of war efforts taken by House Kor-Azor on direction from these think-tanks, including conscription rates, judicial decisions and taxation, as well as major infrastructure and manufacturing projects for the Imperial Navy and 24th Imperial Crusade."

I wonder which applies more: The Gallente phrase of "pork project" or the Caldari phrase of "internal audit?" Or both?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-02-26 21:04:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Sepherim
I think it's far from a scandal to see a Lord Heir govern his region as he deems fit. If the minor Holders are bothered by it, they should probably be remembered that they are his vassals, and thus owe him fealty and loyalty. The only one that he answers to is the Empress Jamyl I, and it is her that will decide what will happen, not the Holders.

And, certainly, ruling his demesne can hardly be considered to "keep on failing". Not to mention that Lord Heir Kor-Azor is a much more suitable way to address a man of his position than "Articio".

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-02-26 21:35:34 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
I think it's far from a scandal to see a Lord Heir govern his region as he deems fit. If the minor Holders are bothered by it, they should probably be remembered that they are his vassals, and thus owe him fealty and loyalty. The only one that he answers to is the Empress Jamyl I, and it is her that will decide what will happen, not the Holders.

And, certainly, ruling his demesne can hardly be considered to "keep on failing". Not to mention that Lord Heir Kor-Azor is a much more suitable way to address a man of his position than "Articio".


There are rules to the game, Sepherim.

Minor Holders need their occasional handouts and the courtesy (or at least illusion) of being consulted by the major Holders to keep things running smoothly politically.

It's been done this way for approaching 2,000 years now.

But you know.. new Empress, new ways of thinking I suppose. *shrug*







Sabik now, Sabik forever

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#10 - 2013-02-26 21:49:07 UTC
From what I have head about His Majesty's methods of governance, things get done. I see no reason why he should change where he gets his advice from, so long as it is sound and just.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Lorcan Orphrey
Abthane Laboratories
#11 - 2013-02-26 21:51:58 UTC
To quote the link provided in the news item itself on holders in Imperial Government structure, "They possess many of the same general powers as the heirs do, though they are far more restricted and must adhere to the whims of the heirs themselves."

If they are happy with the whims is another thing of course. I can't fathom how they've only just now realised they're out of the loop though.
Nick Shale
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#12 - 2013-02-26 23:00:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Shale
The Emperor Family are puppets of the Empress, it’s no secret. The reports were release to undermine Aritcio from within. The wining of the holders is the reaction calculated from such politic maneuvering. What is interesting is the attention to the gossip; I guess it’s true what they say;
“Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2013-02-26 23:14:17 UTC
There is a long tradition of having advisory boards of priests, philosophers and theologians within the Empire. If the High Deacon Moritok approved of this installation, than surely it's not against tradition, but in line with it, as the article points out that it's following the spirit of the Theology Council and it's predecessor.

If some of the vassals of the Kor-Azor family feel that it's in conflict with tradition, than they can appeal to the proper institutions. One and a half millenium is not a long time, though.

As to the 'idea' that those reports were released to undermine the Kor-Azorite heir's authority - I'd be cautious with such idle speculation. I'm sure that the Holy Ordained Empress of Creation will give onto lord Aritcio what he has given to the Empire. What that exactly means will be shown by time.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#14 - 2013-02-26 23:41:31 UTC
I also fail to see the problem here. Kor-Azor wasn't consulting with heretics or concubines after all. So he picks his own panel of advisers and sets up some think tanks, so what? I thought that under the traditional system the Heirs were beholden only to the Imperial throne and their god not the holders serving under them.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Lorcan Orphrey
Abthane Laboratories
#15 - 2013-02-26 23:53:31 UTC
If only vassals are to be involved in the decision making process then why are The Civil Service, The Theology Council, The Ministry of Internal Order, The Ministry of War, The Imperial Chancellery, The Ministry of Assessment, The Amarr Navy and The Amarr Trade Registry all given seats on the Privy Council and not just heirs? Much fuss over the head of a long established practice I would say, were someone to seek my opinion.
Nick Shale
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#16 - 2013-02-27 00:58:29 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
As to the 'idea' that those reports were released to undermine the Kor-Azorite heir's authority - I'd be cautious with such idle speculation. I'm sure that the Holy Ordained Empress of Creation will give onto lord Aritcio what he has given to the Empire. What that exactly means will be shown by time.


There is no speculation, its obvious she is preparing the stage for something, as for what it is.... well as you said will be shown by time.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-02-27 03:41:07 UTC
Nick Shale wrote:
The Emperor Family are puppets of the Empress, it’s no secret. The reports were release to undermine Aritcio from within. The wining of the holders is the reaction calculated from such politic maneuvering. What is interesting is the attention to the gossip; I guess it’s true what they say;
“Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”


And even smaller minds comment against such discussions on the IGS.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Nick Shale
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#18 - 2013-02-27 15:48:59 UTC
Perhaps I have the smallest mind, after all I was cleaning toilets a few years ago. But I find amusing your commentary, its like commenting on the color of vest and shoes of the fellow that try to killed Tibus Heth a while ago.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-02-27 15:54:43 UTC
Nick Shale wrote:
Perhaps I have the smallest mind, after all I was cleaning toilets a few years ago. But I find amusing your commentary, its like commenting on the color of vest and shoes of the fellow that try to killed Tibus Heth a while ago.


Well if you are going to kill a head of State, there's no point in looking shabby!

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Nick Shale
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#20 - 2013-02-27 16:18:11 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Nick Shale wrote:
Perhaps I have the smallest mind, after all I was cleaning toilets a few years ago. But I find amusing your commentary, its like commenting on the color of vest and shoes of the fellow that try to killed Tibus Heth a while ago.


Well if you are going to kill a head of State, there's no point in looking shabby!



hence the saying, “Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”
12Next page