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What do you need to run multiple clients?

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Vas Vadum
Draconian Empire
#1 - 2013-02-26 14:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Vas Vadum
I've never really bothered with having multiple accounts. In fact, I only have this single account. A friend however has multiple accounts and seems to encounter stability issues trying to run multiple accounts for a while.

So what does one client take? (minimums based on this page).
1.5GHz processing speed?
1.5GB Ram?
NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT or higher with 128MB of VRam?

Here are my system specs, how many clients should I be able to run? He mentioned his specs in the topic already.
Core i7-2670QM 2.20GHz (Turbo boost 3.1GHz)
nVidia GeForce GTX 560m 2GB VRAM
8GB RAM
2x 500GB 7200 RPM HDDs

I mentioned my specs so I can compare, plus I was curious what I can do if I really wanted to run multiple clients.

One more question, I heard about specialized clients that basically remove all graphics so a person can run 20+ clients without issues. Is this even allowed? My best guess is it's not.
Again. This topic is not about showing an uber machine. It's asking what exactly is needed to run 4 to 5 clients or more.
Do you need more memory? Well obviously that's a yes.
Do you need more CPU? Probably?
Is there anything else that factors in on running multiple clients successfully?
EDIT: Most helpful person today - Thank you

Cebraio, from the 4S Corporation, from the RAZOR Alliance
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#2 - 2013-02-26 15:13:33 UTC
My crappy five-year old multi-upgraded-still-obsolescent box will do just fine. I'm frankly more bandwidth challenged than CPU challenged.

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Vas Vadum
Draconian Empire
#3 - 2013-02-26 15:13:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Vas Vadum
Cebraio wrote:
I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe?


Uber? People always tell me laptops are crap. I didn't ask "can it do this" I asked how many do you think it can run.
Sure, my PC can certainly run multiple clients. Now how about telling me what it takes to run a second client on t op of the requirements for the first? More CPU? More memory (obviously). More, what?

silens vesica wrote:
My crappy five-year old multi-upgraded-still-obsolescent box will do just fine. I'm frankly more bandwidth challenged than CPU challenged.


Ok, but what did you have to upgrade to make it run more clients? Does it only need more CPU and Memory? Or are there other components that need upgrading too?
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#4 - 2013-02-26 15:16:06 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
So fire it up and start loading clients - see what is what.
At best, all we can do is make WAGs. An' we don't wanna.

Edit:

Didn't need to upgrade the CPU - It's still a crappy old 2ghz athalon II. Mostly, I upgraded to get better sound and video. And even my video card is limited - 512MB Radeon from some years back.

I can run three clients comfortably. Normally only run two, though.

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-02-26 15:20:57 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe?


I always like how people just post speeds of components and then gfx cards and assume that's enough to tell them their PC is uber.

You know, ignoring memory timings is always a great idea.
Who needs a processor, board, gfx card and memory that match, I mean, all the bits "fit" right?
Skorpynekomimi
#6 - 2013-02-26 15:25:54 UTC
I bought a £700 laptop going on a year ago, now. It wasn't exactly top of the range, but was pretty up there. It runs two clients, firefox, IMs, and Excel just fine.
Apart from the heat it spews out, anyway.

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Vas Vadum
Draconian Empire
#7 - 2013-02-26 15:28:50 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe?


I always like how people just post speeds of components and then gfx cards and assume that's enough to tell them their PC is uber.

You know, ignoring memory timings is always a great idea.
Who needs a processor, board, gfx card and memory that match, I mean, all the bits "fit" right?


I have no clue what my motherboard is. It's a laptop. I didn't look on the box for motherboard specs. Nor did I look for memory timing. I'm guessing my memory is DDR3 1333 MHz SDRAM. I only posted the basics because I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client.

Ever noticed how games specify only the basics?
E.G.
Quote:
EVE Minimum:
OS: Windows® XP Service Pack 2 / Vista / 7
CPU: Intel Pentium® or AMD @ 1,5 Ghz or greater which supports SSE2
RAM: XP (SP2) – 1 GB / Vista – 1.5 GB
HD space: 20Gb Free Space
Network:DSL connection or faster
Video:ATI X1600 or NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT or higher graphics card with 128 MB of Video RAM* which supports Shader Model 3
Drivers: DirectX® 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers
DVD-ROM : 2 speed DVD reader or greater required.

......
Operating System
Processor
RAM
Hard Drive Space
Network Speed
Graphics Card
Drivers
DVD Drive

Do you see Motherboard and RAM speed? Cause I don't.

Skorpynekomimi wrote:
I bought a £700 laptop going on a year ago, now. It wasn't exactly top of the range, but was pretty up there. It runs two clients, firefox, IMs, and Excel just fine.
Apart from the heat it spews out, anyway.


Yea, mine throws out a lot of heat too. My graphics card gets up to 136F while playing EVE. I've had a temperature up to 160F in some games, and 195F only once.
Donald MacRury
LankTech
#8 - 2013-02-26 15:29:58 UTC
Vas must be talking about me, my computer runs terrible after 3 or 4 clients are running. My cpu is an intel i5-3570 running at 3.4 ghz. I also have 16GB of memory , and a 2TB hard drive if that even matters. The motherboard in this thing is a ASRock Z77 Pro4.

I know that I am short on the video side though with only a 1GB nVidia video card.

Oh and Hi Vas Smile
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-02-26 15:33:13 UTC
Vas Vadum wrote:
I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client.


And this is how my £600 custom built PC craps all over a friends £2000 custom build.
OCD can be a good thing :)

Also, I said timings not frequency.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#10 - 2013-02-26 15:34:02 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe?


I always like how people just post speeds of components and then gfx cards and assume that's enough to tell them their PC is uber.

You know, ignoring memory timings is always a great idea.
Who needs a processor, board, gfx card and memory that match, I mean, all the bits "fit" right?

That is the one thing I actually paid serious attention to when I upgraded the box. It pretty much hums along nicely. It can be beatten stone cold by pretty much any system less than three years old, but so what? It works for my needs.

I *have* been eating power supplies recently, though - I've pushed it as hard and as far as it can cope. Next malf, I'm replacing the guts entirely.

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Vas Vadum
Draconian Empire
#11 - 2013-02-26 15:38:40 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Vas Vadum wrote:
I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client.


And this is how my £600 custom built PC craps all over a friends £2000 custom build.
OCD can be a good thing :)

Also, I said timings not frequency.


Then I dunno how to find the frequency as I've never even needed to look before. I doubt it's anything listed on boxes most of the times. Nor is it ever mentioned in game requirements. >.>
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#12 - 2013-02-26 15:41:04 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe?
Did somebody post an uber PC somewhere?

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#13 - 2013-02-26 15:41:53 UTC
Vas Vadum wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Vas Vadum wrote:
I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client.


And this is how my £600 custom built PC craps all over a friends £2000 custom build.
OCD can be a good thing :)

Also, I said timings not frequency.


Then I dunno how to find the frequency as I've never even needed to look before. I doubt it's anything listed on boxes most of the times. Nor is it ever mentioned in game requirements. >.>

Tech specs.

Game designers don't care if your system is well-tuned. Only if it can clunk along reliably. Like the difference between race-tuned engine and a stock engine. Both will get you where you're going. One will get you there faster, and in style.

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Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-02-26 15:42:12 UTC
Vas Vadum wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe?


Uber? People always tell me laptops are crap. I didn't ask "can it do this" I asked how many do you think it can run.
Sure, my PC can certainly run multiple clients. Now how about telling me what it takes to run a second client on t op of the requirements for the first? More CPU? More memory (obviously). More, what?


Well, laptops in general are crap, but your laptop is high end crap. Cool In all seriousness, laptops usually perform worse than the the same system specs built into a desktop case.

The problem I have with your post is not about your laptop though. I just ask myself what your system spec has to do with your friend's problem of running multiple clients? Nothing? Right.

In short: You can surely run multiple clients on your laptop. There is not much to increase in regards of your CPU and your GPU and your RAM and in total. However, this doesn't really help your friend.

Your friend may want to look into a better graphics card or more RAM. These usually help with games. But who knows. It could also be something totally different going wrong on his machine.

For 4 clients I'd take a wild guess that this would be a minimum requirement: A core i5 processor, 8GB RAM and a graphics card with another GB built in.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-02-26 15:47:41 UTC
Vas Vadum wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Vas Vadum wrote:
I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client.


And this is how my £600 custom built PC craps all over a friends £2000 custom build.
OCD can be a good thing :)

Also, I said timings not frequency.


Then I dunno how to find the frequency as I've never even needed to look before. I doubt it's anything listed on boxes most of the times. Nor is it ever mentioned in game requirements. >.>


Yes and no.
I could rewrite what others have said but egh...
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Understanding-RAM-Timings/26

If the memory timings match the board and the board timings match the processor and gfx card everything runs a lot smoother\quicker.

On top of that if you have decent cooling and air flow, things run better still.

This is also why some manufactures who product "cheap" "fast" computers run way slower than you would expect from hardware that claims to be the speed it is.

It's not that they're lying, it's that it's poorly put together.

It's also why "ALL THE EXPENSIVE THINGS!!!!" is a bad way to put together a PC.

Also.... "gaming laptops" HA! but that's more to do with me being set in my ways than me actually thinking a gaming laptop is bad tbh.
Bane Veradun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-02-26 15:48:36 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
My crappy five-year old multi-upgraded-still-obsolescent box will do just fine. I'm frankly more bandwidth challenged than CPU challenged.


I also have ancient computer (coming up on 7 years now) and I can run two clients at once on it. Of course, my graphics have to be turned WAAYY down, but I have no issues otherwise.

Hi.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#17 - 2013-02-26 15:51:47 UTC
Vas Vadum wrote:
I only posted the basics because I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client.
They don't. In fact if stability, rather than performance, is the issue, then none of the specs matter much as any machine which can run one should be able to run two, just with worse performance. Unless it's really and truly out of RAM and is paging out an entire client, it's a deeper issue.

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Owena Owoked
Dedicated Individuals Committed to Killing
#18 - 2013-02-26 15:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Owena Owoked
Your GPU will be a problem. I would say that you can run 3 on low settings before it becomes a problem and starts to cook your computer. With ISBoxer I was able to get 5 to run on my alienware with similar specs before I started to melt the keyboard from the inside out. Laptops suck for gaming. Get a proper tower and you can run 20 accounts before it even knows what is happening.

Quote:
One more question, I heard about specialized clients that basically remove all graphics so a person can run 20+ clients without issues. Is this even allowed? My best guess is it's not.
There are programs out there that will allow you to run a client in wireframe. Why you would do this in EVE is beyond me but in certain other games it was helpful for tagging an NPC as soon as it spawned as it would cut down on graphical lag. EVE is space though and has a zoom out feature that is basically the same thing.

Honestly what you want is for CCP to finally introduce the lite client they talked about when they removed the classic client. I don't think that is ever going to happen though because of all the features they added to tweak your graphics and brackets.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-02-26 15:53:39 UTC
Donald MacRury wrote:
Vas must be talking about me, my computer runs terrible after 3 or 4 clients are running. My cpu is an intel i5-3570 running at 3.4 ghz. I also have 16GB of memory , and a 2TB hard drive if that even matters. The motherboard in this thing is a ASRock Z77 Pro4.

I know that I am short on the video side though with only a 1GB nVidia video card.

Oh and Hi Vas Smile

From the numbers it doesn't look too bad. Hard drive size doesn't matter, only the speed of the HDD and if it has enough free space.

What nVidia card is that?

Instead of getting a new graphic card, you could probably also reduce the resolution of the clients or disable some hungry features like anti-aliasing etc.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#20 - 2013-02-26 15:58:30 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
TheBlueMonkey wrote:

This is also why some manufactures who product "cheap" "fast" computers run way slower than you would expect from hardware that claims to be the speed it is.

It's not that they're lying, it's that it's poorly put together.

It's also why "ALL THE EXPENSIVE THINGS!!!!" is a bad way to put together a PC.

One of my brothers builds Stocker motors for racers. If he were to reach into the bins and just start grabbing parts out, he could build a motor that ran.
No one would buy it.

He carefully selects parts - And not always the most expensive parts - so that have the correct balance, that they have the right profiles, angles, and finishes, that are complement the other parts he's using. He breaks out the micrometers, and the bore gages, and the snap gages and the scales. Yes, he weighs even things like bolts and nuts.
His engines sell in the mid-five-figure range. Because he tunes then, pays attention to how they work as a whole. Not because he put shiny brand-label parts inside (Though shiny parts are often of high quality, and do get used. When appropriate).


Same approach works with electronics. Know your specs, know your theory. Know your purpose. You can build a shiny box, but if you've built a graphics workstation, or a server, it may not be the uber gaming computer you desired.

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