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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#21 - 2013-02-26 14:40:06 UTC
Dante Uisen wrote:
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:
Oh, come on - afk cloaking is not afk gameplay, it's simply afk. If that's the biggest quibble you have with the OP then it must be solid.


What is the difference between afk and afk gameplay?, being cloaked in a system has pretty much the same impact no matter if someone is sitting at the computer or not.



because with afk cloaking there is no gameplay occurring.

afk mining - the miner gets some ore while afk
afk missioning - the miner gets some iskies while afk
afk cloaking - the cloaker gets nothing while afk

How others may react to the entry in local is obviously something very different.
Whitehound
#22 - 2013-02-26 15:00:15 UTC
Do not believe a word of what the New Order says. They are kids who find pleasure in hating other players on the Internet. They have absolutely no reasons for it other than being young and foolish. Everything they tell you is made up. They do it because they can and because nobody else is doing it. They are haters hating your game.

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stoicfaux
#23 - 2013-02-26 15:02:45 UTC
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:

because with afk cloaking there is no gameplay occurring.

afk mining - the miner gets some ore while afk
afk missioning - the miner gets some iskies while afk
afk cloaking - the cloaker gets nothing while afk

How others may react to the entry in local is obviously something very different.

True dat. However, it could fall under the wasting server/bandwidth resources clause #17:
"You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users. "

But it's pretty weak, IMO.

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Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-02-26 15:03:32 UTC
luZk wrote:
Your logic is flawed. CCP would love nothing more than to see the doughnut gone and 100 times as much ISK beeing destroyed in null every day. And so would I and anyone with common sence.



That's complete BS.

If that were the case then why didn't these idiots fix the goddamned sov this patch instead of add stupid ass colored route lines and such?

Dude **** this game. I'm sick and tired of these goddamned devs, sick and tired of this Null sec bore s**t that CCP has no interest in fixing as they will continue to pander to Goons mainly because people like us who hate this blue bore **** refuse to band together and boycott this game until they fix it.

As I've said before this crap ass game is just a filler until Rome 2: TW comes out this October. When that happens CCP can kiss both sides of my ass, and they can have their goddamned RMT fest game.
Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-02-26 15:09:30 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:

because with afk cloaking there is no gameplay occurring.

afk mining - the miner gets some ore while afk
afk missioning - the miner gets some iskies while afk
afk cloaking - the cloaker gets nothing while afk

How others may react to the entry in local is obviously something very different.

True dat. However, it could fall under the wasting server/bandwidth resources clause #17:
"You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users. "

But it's pretty weak, IMO.


If a null-sec block decided to afk 2000 alts in jita, just to shut it down, i think i would fall under wasting system resources.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-02-27 03:56:31 UTC
Khoul Ay'd wrote:
James and the NWO are perpetrating their movement as a response of broken SOV mechanics which is the cause of the Big Blue Doughnut. This tasty pastry was caused by AFK cloaking and the supercarrier drones nerf.

It goes deeper, the supercarrier nerf caused CCP to realize the truth-- they hate drones. They then embraced drone aggro as a new paradigm in high sec mission running. Realizing high sec mission runners would be upset they also nerfed missiles.

With afk mission running no longer viable, mission runners would be forced to sell their mission boats, buy a spiffy new Hulk, and turn to mining as their only remaining source of afk gameplay.

Ergo, SOV mechanics are not broken they're engineered that way on purpose; CCP likes doughnuts and afk cloaking; hates drones, missiles and afk gameplay and wants everyone to lay down their guns and go bump miners.Shocked


but but low sec sentrys don't shoot our drones anymore.... howz zey hate zee drones and doo zat?

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fukier
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-02-27 04:08:42 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


Now come on, isn't that more or less the same thing?

DMC

no its not...

one is sitting passive in a system (though i still think cloaking should take cap to run and if you are in ship not made for it you will eventually run out of cap if you are not full of recharges and ccc's)

the other is a method of gaining isk

see the difference...
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#28 - 2013-02-27 13:02:44 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
luZk wrote:
Your logic is flawed. CCP would love nothing more than to see the doughnut gone and 100 times as much ISK beeing destroyed in null every day. And so would I and anyone with common sence.



That's complete BS.

If that were the case then why didn't these idiots fix the goddamned sov this patch instead of add stupid ass colored route lines and such?

Dude **** this game. I'm sick and tired of these goddamned devs, sick and tired of this Null sec bore s**t that CCP has no interest in fixing as they will continue to pander to Goons mainly because people like us who hate this blue bore **** refuse to band together and boycott this game until they fix it.

As I've said before this crap ass game is just a filler until Rome 2: TW comes out this October. When that happens CCP can kiss both sides of my ass, and they can have their goddamned RMT fest game.

Yur stuffs. I can haz?

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BlueWaffe
#29 - 2013-02-27 13:37:41 UTC
Good theory, but you forgot to work in t2 bpos, fix wardec mechanics whine, and the standard complaint that ccp nerfed invention chances based on 8 out of 10 failures after the last patch when.the success rate is 25%.

Work all that in and you'll have it perfect.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-02-27 13:48:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Confirming that the OP is bang-on with his analysis and that a "New Age of Tinfoilhats" -- with realistic chuffing noises and spinny bits -- has begun.

I am, however, going to deduct one point from the final score as an overt claim that "EVE is dying" was unfortunately omitted. Blink

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