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Bitten.-alliance home system J104846 ripe for invasion
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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-02-25 23:32:48 UTC
MS10NVY wrote:
Please Read everything i wrote... and note that we only brought 20 characters :)

you know as well as anyone that bringing 20 active mains to a fight is a large force in WHs.

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Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2013-02-25 23:35:48 UTC
tl;dr good fights were not had. sad day for wh space
Sorany
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2013-02-25 23:53:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Sorany
Jack Miton wrote:
MS10NVY wrote:
Please Read everything i wrote... and note that we only brought 20 characters :)

you know as well as anyone that bringing 20 active mains to a fight is a large force in WHs.


clearly they know, about 20 SSC was enough to scare Noho Caps into hiding and provide enough subcaps for us to take hole control and start blapping russians.
Winthorp
#84 - 2013-02-26 00:05:19 UTC
Sorany wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
MS10NVY wrote:
Please Read everything i wrote... and note that we only brought 20 characters :)

you know as well as anyone that bringing 20 active mains to a fight is a large force in WHs.


clearly they know, about 20 SSC was enough to scare Noho Caps into hiding and provide enough subcaps for us to take hole control and start blapping russians.


But we are so much cooler. Cool
MS10NVY
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2013-02-26 00:05:38 UTC
Sorany wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
MS10NVY wrote:
Please Read everything i wrote... and note that we only brought 20 characters :)

you know as well as anyone that bringing 20 active mains to a fight is a large force in WHs.


clearly they know, about 20 SSC was enough to scare Noho Caps into hiding and provide enough subcaps for us to take hole control and start blapping russians.


Quite a different story when you had double the Caps literally as proven later in the fight, you only needed the support wich you sort of lacked was about what 20-30 to 70 subcaps at that point ? so another 20 brought it close and then it was a mute point to engage :D Memory might not serve me tho.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#86 - 2013-02-26 00:25:10 UTC
tl;dr: Timezones suck.
Matuk Grymwal
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#87 - 2013-02-26 01:39:54 UTC
You know after seeing an extra 3 pages on this thread since I last looked at it, left me pleasantly surprised. By and large it is has been a fairly intelligent discussion with a minimum of name calling. Anyway "I was there"; until next time for all involved.
Brinxter
Bite Me inc
#88 - 2013-02-26 05:33:00 UTC
Since im on a smartphone im not going to dissect parawhatshisface's post, but boy, are you guys bad at intel or WHAT.

If you had done it right, our KB would have shown you we are late EU at BEST, all our major ops where solidly in it even.
IF you had all our caps on WL, you would have seen a couple who are not used often/holding toons, so this would have been the "big dirty trick" you all keep mentioning, yet they are all on that tower KM.

With your scout in our home, you failed to see which time we had the biggest rolling fleet, again EU time.
As for the tower timers, you where on and active, YOU controlled those, not us.
We where pretty happy with the last two timers, but by the time those where up we had an internal fubar, and we had word you batphoned.

Really, nice attempt at smokescreening, but still a huge fail.
Fradle
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#89 - 2013-02-26 05:49:06 UTC
Brinxter wrote:

Really, nice attempt at smokescreening, but still a huge fail.

They're not bad a smoke screening just trying some good 'ol propaganda. They called in some favors from big brother norcorp and slutty sister AHARM who sleeps with anyone that will give them the time of day.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#90 - 2013-02-26 05:58:37 UTC
Just read the whole darn thing.

+2 to bitten for spunk and attitude.

Stagnant they aren't.
Bamsey Amraa
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#91 - 2013-02-26 07:45:07 UTC
Warlord Shat wrote:
The honest answer to 1 is, i don't know it, personally i was torn I have been pushing for an invasion for months mainly because i feel like it is the true driver of wormhole conflict, it solves the problems that are always brought up in discussion on how to improve wormhole space. The big fights and amazing stories attract more players to join wormhole space. Currently Wormhole Space is very stale very static nothing much is happening

I wanted to be part of the change, to get things happening. Personally i would like to evict alot of people, Nothing personal just think its a good way to cause fight and bitter rivalries which is healthy for the game, Batphoning and the circle jerk are one of the main reason this isn't happening,

It would of been an amazing fight and a very tough one at that but it didn't happen

and in a response to 2, No **** you, I hate organised fights, we will not 5v5 T1 cruisers at the sun, Man the **** up and fight

So 3 is an error but 2 is a good idea?

You run on the logic of not evicting people who bring fights but ruin fights because you are to afraid to fight even with slightly even fleets, Last time we fought Arctic we fully commuted and they cap blobbed us so we seed caps to even the fight they batphone everyone


+1
Qel'Droma
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2013-02-26 09:06:40 UTC
Bamsey Amraa wrote:
Warlord Shat wrote:
The honest answer to 1 is, i don't know it, personally i was torn I have been pushing for an invasion for months mainly because i feel like it is the true driver of wormhole conflict, it solves the problems that are always brought up in discussion on how to improve wormhole space. The big fights and amazing stories attract more players to join wormhole space. Currently Wormhole Space is very stale very static nothing much is happening

I wanted to be part of the change, to get things happening. Personally i would like to evict alot of people, Nothing personal just think its a good way to cause fight and bitter rivalries which is healthy for the game, Batphoning and the circle jerk are one of the main reason this isn't happening,

It would of been an amazing fight and a very tough one at that but it didn't happen

and in a response to 2, No **** you, I hate organised fights, we will not 5v5 T1 cruisers at the sun, Man the **** up and fight

So 3 is an error but 2 is a good idea?

You run on the logic of not evicting people who bring fights but ruin fights because you are to afraid to fight even with slightly even fleets, Last time we fought Arctic we fully commuted and they cap blobbed us so we seed caps to even the fight they batphone everyone


+1

+1
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#93 - 2013-02-26 09:23:43 UTC
It's a little known fact that the word Qel' rhymes with hay.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#94 - 2013-02-26 14:39:24 UTC
Having nearly twice as many players, more caps, and the home field advantage and then batphoning is... well, I understand why you'd do it if you thought there was a threat of eviction.

But just leave it at that, you didn't want to risk eviction so called for help. Don't see the point in trying to prove your manliness or ehonour or whatever the hells going on here
Surfs Down
The Royal Wormhole Agency
#95 - 2013-02-26 14:51:16 UTC
I think is AHARMS attempt at being relevant again in WH space. So they came in and scoped up the ball and said that you can't play anymore.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#96 - 2013-02-26 16:23:12 UTC
I'm pretty sure by now that this is a case of fog of war and partial intelligence. Every side assumes things about the other side and, more importantly, assumes that the other side has a certain knowledge about themselves which they do not actually have.

Everyone says "they must have known this", "it was obvious that we...", "they could see that just by looking at...", "this action by them wouldn't make sense if they didn't know that..." and so on and the course of action is based on wrong assumptions about the opponent's base of information.

The consequence is that both sides act in a way that seems prudent and reasonable to them, but appears senseless, stupid or cowardly to the other side.

Still I'd stick to the argument that when you face a credible threat of eviction, you always err on the side of caution and go for maximal escalation to defend your home. This is neither wrong nor should it come as a surprise to anyone.

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Castor Troyy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#97 - 2013-02-26 17:13:49 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Still I'd stick to the argument that when you face a credible threat of eviction, you always err on the side of caution and go for maximal escalation to defend your home. This is neither wrong nor should it come as a surprise to anyone.



When you are attempting to invade/evict someone this should be expected. Also, invasions doesn't always imply evictions. I understand Bitten's need for more than 3 caps, b/w us and them I don't know of anyone else who will fight outgunned or outnumbered, or both. A comment was made about fair fights, that Bitten fights only when they have the advantage or some Ace in the Hole. I don't think this only applies to bitten, and in fact, it applies to alot of the bigger wh entities. When you have twice the numbers and don't fight. Don't make a public post about it. Don't say you have it covered and then batphone.

Let's be clear, the only reason there wasn't a fight was because of the capital numbers artic light was going up against. If it were only 3 dreads it would have been a good 'ole fashioned capital blob. Bitten would have gotten blapped and then Artic Light would have surely patted themselves on the back about what awesome spaceship pilots they are. But because Artic Light would have lost capitals, they were out. They batphone and then this mindless post goes on and on and on about what could have happened.

Next time Bitten, Have a contingency plan. Expect whoever you are invading to not fight, and expect them to batphone, expect those c6 guys to roll into this target system. But remember whether u are outmanned, out gunned or out classed, there are other large wh entities that can roll into that same system too. All you have to do is ask Cool
Brinxter
Bite Me inc
#98 - 2013-02-26 17:49:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Brinxter
Castor Troyy wrote:


Next time Bitten, Have a contingency plan. Expect whoever you are invading to not fight, and expect them to batphone, expect those c6 guys to roll into this target system. But remember whether u are outmanned, out gunned or out classed, there are other large wh entities that can roll into that same system too. All you have to do is ask Cool



There was, it got snafu'd

I hate blueballing just as much as the next wh guy, and i believe that if something like this where to happen to anyone else, and we'd connect, we'd pick no sides, and just try to kill anything we find.
Some time ago, we rolled into an eviction of some sorts, and where just shy of dropping the siegers, if we had succeeded, we would have probably picked up where they had left, no point in letting sieged towers go to waste with caps in system...
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2013-02-26 20:10:55 UTC
Surfs Down wrote:
I think is AHARMS attempt at being relevant again in WH space. So they came in and scoped up the ball and said that you can't play anymore.


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Zara Arran
Overload This
#100 - 2013-02-26 20:19:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Zara Arran
I don't get any of this. Why is there always a thread on these forums when an invasion occurs?

Bane Nucleus wrote:
So attempting to evict Hard Knocks, even though they fight, is ok. However, evicting Arctic Light is a huge no-no because they fight. The line seems a bit blurred at the moment.

Why does there need to be any kind of line at all? Like I posted before, why not let everyone play their own game. Invade for their own reasons.. Help defend or attack whoever they want for whatever reason they want? In my honest opinion, W-space needs to do less typing on forums and more fighting.

Bite me inc: You knew very well that there was a big chance NoHo/AHARM would show up. Don't be surprised, be prepared.