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Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-02-26 13:41:03 UTC
Sable Moran wrote:
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There is a finite and a rather low number of T2 BPO's. There is no such limit on invention.

In other words, even if one single alliance got all the T2 BPO's in the game and started cranking up T2 stuff 24/7 they would still not dominate any market. (Barring possibly some very low volume products.)

In yet another set of words, before making wild statements it would be wise to do the numbers first.


I see no numbers in your post.
Myrissa Kistel
Planetary Logistics
#42 - 2013-02-26 13:41:19 UTC
You should have been here when invention was getting implemented. Oh my did the T2 BPO holders whine and throw a hissy fit over invention. It was thier right to make all money in the game. Those 1 Billion ISK Hulks, 15 million cap rechargers II and the cloaking device for covert ops where around 100 million each, they were going to be poor now. Invention ruined them.

I don't think you even know what you asking for.
Annihilious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-02-26 13:44:02 UTC
CCP should remove whining dupes like this from the game not T2 BPO's...
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-02-26 13:48:04 UTC
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Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-02-26 14:02:47 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Then realize that the "no money to be made from T2BPOs" is more down to inventards than it is T2BPO


The market is flooded with tech 2 modules, leaving the price barely above the invention and production price, still isk can be made.

Unless the demand is bigger then the supply generated by the tech 2 bpo's, the is no market for invention. It depends on the invention and production price of the item and the demand of the item, some tech 2 ships are traded in small amounts and have very high invention and production price even at -1/-1.
Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-02-26 14:07:49 UTC
I'll just leave this here
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#47 - 2013-02-26 16:33:24 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
And what alliance is gonna do that without being robbed blind or someone stealing them all?


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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#48 - 2013-02-26 16:55:38 UTC
How many T2 BPOs are there in the game?
How many are in use, and not just stored as collectors items or long term investments?

Also: Anyone can get rid of a T2 BPO. Buy it and trash it.

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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#49 - 2013-02-26 17:01:00 UTC
Pandora Barzane wrote:
Sable Moran wrote:
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There is a finite and a rather low number of T2 BPO's. There is no such limit on invention.

In other words, even if one single alliance got all the T2 BPO's in the game and started cranking up T2 stuff 24/7 they would still not dominate any market. (Barring possibly some very low volume products.)

In yet another set of words, before making wild statements it would be wise to do the numbers first.


I see no numbers in your post.


Lazy are we? Not fond of home work?. Here's how you can go about it:

1. Do 'Show Info' on any given T2 BPO.
2. Calculate how many units can be manufactured per month (Units1)
3. Go to Jita and check how many units are sold per month (Units2)
4. Compare Units1 to Units2.
5. ???
6. Profit

A little example for you. Let's take Cap recharger II, it has been mentioned a few times in this thread. With my skills I could manufacture about 960 of those in a month. A lot huh? well, no. The past 30 days more than 120000 of those got sold in Jita (well, Forge). One person does not have a chance in hell on dominating anything. But an alliance? Lets put more numbers on table. There were about a few dozen T2 BPO's seeded for every module that existed at the time. Lets be generous and say that of those 50 are still in active duty and are used 24/7. 50 times 960 = 48000. Not quite 120000 yet is it? And that's just the market in Jita.

Another example. I'm one of those evil T2 BPO owners (the reason why I actually have done the numbers). Mine is the 400mm plate BPO. With my skills I can produce about 330 units of those plates per month. About 5400 were sold in Jita the past month so I personally could not dominate anything. Let's multiply that with the number of BPO's like above, we get 16500. So here is an example of a low volume module where it could be possible for BPO owners to do some dominating, right? Wrong. Since the volume is low the available manufacturing slots would be much better used making something else, something more profitable.

Enough numbers for you?

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Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#50 - 2013-02-26 17:51:19 UTC
Waah my raven only has 6 launcher slots, ccp fix the state issue raven that is parked somewhere as it's not fair that the owner has something I can't compete with.

isn't that the same argument, and the argument has been done time after time, I've not got a T2 BPO, I'm not really interested in owning a T2 BPO, you can produce more numbers with invention than building off a BPO generally, so while the profit may be smaller, you can produce more of them.

Plus you don't have to live in fear of someone in CCP finally getting so sick of the whine threads about them that they decide to a) get rid of them or b) seed them on the market, either way you're going to be well out of pocket if you bought it.

T2 BPO's work fine, there are plenty of items that there are no BPO's for, so try working on them.
Ckra Trald
Ckra Trald Corporation
#51 - 2013-02-26 17:52:15 UTC
t2 bpos arent a quick rich process, it takes a long time to pay off the massive investment of these bpos

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Prekaz
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#52 - 2013-02-26 18:34:02 UTC
Other people can afford stuff.

I can't afford stuff.

Therefor, other people should not have stuff, because it's not fair.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#53 - 2013-02-26 20:41:12 UTC
Trendon Evenstar wrote:
We are Technetium Lords not manufacturing pubbies


Or to put it another way, technetium pubbies not Manufacturing Lords.

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Zombie Hunter X
Doomheim
#54 - 2013-02-26 21:28:31 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
To put it simply:

People who own T2 BPOs are BETTER THAN YOU.

And confirming:

CCP values T2 BPO HOLDERS more than they value... you.

To the Point:

You will NEVER be accepted into the EVE ELITE without a T2 BPO.

And Finally:

You will NEVER defeat me, MUAH HA HA HA!


This sentiment right here would be enough for me to initiate a "database error" if I were CCP. If this is true, I'd keep a lid on it otherwise the only true account expansion CCP could expect would be from self-proclaimed pre-existing T2 Nobility, no one else would be daft enough to give CCP their hard-earned cash when we amount to little more than peasants in the eyes of the developers.

The lottery was a farce to begin with and the only reason T2 BPOs still exist is because the neckbeards need something (aside from their moon goo ISK fountains) to help them forget about their penis envy.

Eve is a great game, some things just need to be removed to amend mistakes made in the past. Specifically, T2 BPOs to give true closure to the lottery farce and moon goo to shut the door on something like the ferrogel incident ever happening again.
Prekaz
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#55 - 2013-02-26 22:27:00 UTC
Zombie Hunter X wrote:
Tom Gerard wrote:
To put it simply:

People who own T2 BPOs are BETTER THAN YOU.

And confirming:

CCP values T2 BPO HOLDERS more than they value... you.

To the Point:

You will NEVER be accepted into the EVE ELITE without a T2 BPO.

And Finally:

You will NEVER defeat me, MUAH HA HA HA!


This sentiment right here would be enough for me to initiate a "database error" if I were CCP. If this is true, I'd keep a lid on it otherwise the only true account expansion CCP could expect would be from self-proclaimed pre-existing T2 Nobility, no one else would be daft enough to give CCP their hard-earned cash when we amount to little more than peasants in the eyes of the developers.

The lottery was a farce to begin with and the only reason T2 BPOs still exist is because the neckbeards need something (aside from their moon goo ISK fountains) to help them forget about their ***** envy.

Eve is a great game, some things just need to be removed to amend mistakes made in the past. Specifically, T2 BPOs to give true closure to the lottery farce and moon goo to shut the door on something like the ferrogel incident ever happening again.


If you want them removed, do something about it. Buy them and trash them.
Kathern Aurilen
#56 - 2013-02-26 22:40:37 UTC
BadAssMcKill wrote:
T2 bpos really aren't as good as you think they are
They are when you don't have to waste time trying to invent something, and is researched 200ME

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Athena Fleise
Siebuhr Enterprise Coalition
#57 - 2013-02-26 22:50:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Athena Fleise
CCP diagoras posted T2 BPO stats on Twitter once.

https://twitter.com/CCP_Diagoras

Quote:
Only 7.07% of Absolutions and 23.62% of Sleipnirs produced in March 2012 were produced through invention.

89.77% of 1400mm II, 82.00% of Tachyon II, 87.34% of 425mm Rail II, 74.23% of Torpedo Launcher II produced in March were from invention.

66.13% of Ishtars and 63.53% of Zealots produced in March 2012 were produced via invention.

27.60% of Curses and 22.16% of Pilgrims produced in March 2012 were from invention.


The "T2 BPOs are so rare they barely influence the market" argument is proved to be pretty weak here...
Kathern Aurilen
#58 - 2013-02-26 23:08:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
Just making high ME and PE BPCs from your T2 BPO is like printing isk...Cool

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Zombie Hunter X
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-02-26 23:19:54 UTC
Prekaz wrote:
Zombie Hunter X wrote:
Tom Gerard wrote:
To put it simply:

People who own T2 BPOs are BETTER THAN YOU.

And confirming:

CCP values T2 BPO HOLDERS more than they value... you.

To the Point:

You will NEVER be accepted into the EVE ELITE without a T2 BPO.

And Finally:

You will NEVER defeat me, MUAH HA HA HA!


This sentiment right here would be enough for me to initiate a "database error" if I were CCP. If this is true, I'd keep a lid on it otherwise the only true account expansion CCP could expect would be from self-proclaimed pre-existing T2 Nobility, no one else would be daft enough to give CCP their hard-earned cash when we amount to little more than peasants in the eyes of the developers.

The lottery was a farce to begin with and the only reason T2 BPOs still exist is because the neckbeards need something (aside from their moon goo ISK fountains) to help them forget about their ***** envy.

Eve is a great game, some things just need to be removed to amend mistakes made in the past. Specifically, T2 BPOs to give true closure to the lottery farce and moon goo to shut the door on something like the ferrogel incident ever happening again.


If you want them removed, do something about it. Buy them and trash them.


I shouldn't have to do anything to provide closure to the playerbase at large, I am not the one who was rigging the lotteries or the corporate entity they belonged to while doing so. All I am saying is that Invention is a half-assed closure to the T2 Lottery debacle. If you ask me, the only people who don't want T2 BPOs removed server side are those who hold them and their alts (and with the ease of creating alts and the prolific wealth from T2 BPOs with which to create them it will be nigh impossible to convince me otherwise).

True Closure for the lottery farce is many years overdue and the onus to provide it should not rest on the shoulders of the playerbase.
Kathern Aurilen
#60 - 2013-02-26 23:31:53 UTC
Athena Fleise wrote:
https://twitter.com/CCP_Diagoras

Quote:
Only 7.07% of Absolutions and 23.62% of Sleipnirs produced in March 2012 were produced through invention.

89.77% of 1400mm II, 82.0% of Tachyon II, 87.34% of 425mm Rail II, 74.23% of Torpedo Launcher II produced in March were from invention.

66.13% of Ishtars and 63.53% of Zealots produced in March 2012 were produced via invention.

27.60% of Curses and 22.16% of Pilgrims produced in March 2012 were from invention.


The "T2 BPOs are so rare they barely influence the market" argument is proved to be pretty weak here...
Plus Invention isn't making very high ME BPCs. All that the T2 BPO owner has to do is sell on par with the inventor(producing poor bpcs) and just sit back and rack in the ISK where the inventor is just barely scraping by.

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