EVE General Discussion

Lolno.
When you talk about nerfing something, you talk about nerfing something. That is all. The reasons for the nerfs can be anything, and in this case, it's about making nullsec production work.

Nice straw man you've got there. Too bad they catch fire so easily.

You know, maybe you should consider that, when someone tells you that the issue isn't what you think it is, it's not what you think it is and continuing to whinge as if it were just makes you look ignorant. So yes, it was very silly of you to think what you just thought.

After reading some of this all I have to say is

What a pile of crap arguments, is someone going for the Guinness book of world records, biggest pile of crap record?

I mean talking about quality of life, why players using other companies facilities in high economic areas should be able to produce cheaper goods than someone using their own facilities in the equivalent of a third world country.

Hell and people call me a loony

Yeah, no. Of course I would consider a neutral argument. “You're just looking to hurt the smart guys” is not a neutral argument and is, if anything, more emotion-driven than most… not to mention nonsense that only shows you haven't actually read or understood what's being discussed.

Having a balanced game makes no logical sense? Ensuring that game content serves a purpose and isn't just dead code makes no logical sense? Riiight.
Oh well, appeal to authority will work well as a substitute for logic, I suppose and adds nicely to the list of fallacious reasoning you've got going.

Oh don't worry. You're already much farther down that road than the rest of us.

…and as you should have noticed by now, that's not really what anyone's asking. The balance change is that it should be better to produce directly in null rather than do all your production in high and then importing the goods to null.

Well, you failed to include a number of costs, for one…

The problem is that at present, even if a nullsec alliance managed to create a safe haven of industry, it STILL wouldn't be worth it to produce there over highsec.
Whereas in the real world its quite easy for a peaceful former third world country to attract immense amounts of investment because taxes and expenses are so much lower.

Well let's see. Currently highsec manufactures everything. If it was rebalanced correctly, then highsec, nullsec and maybe even lowsec would manufacture stuff. Sounds less boring to me.

Both or neither, depending on how the people and resources the holding alliance has at its disposal to protect its space.
If nullsec was the new frontier at the start of Eve, it could be the industrial powerhouse of the United States in the future.
Or it could end up some of the messed up colonies in Africa, or anywhere inbetween. Right now its locked in Africa mode due to game mechanics.

you say that like it's a bad thing. it's an area with unique constraints which make it interesting.

the things about this game that are unconstrained just devalue and cheapen it but i guess if that's what people want then that's what they'll get.

If EVE was intended to be designed around a one market economy, CCP would have made Jita intentionally.


I would like to see T2 production and market stats.
I want to see where it's made, where it's sold, and where it's blown up.
Because I'm pretty sure the bulk of it is made in high sec, sold and exported to null, and then blown up here.


Fixes to just null sec will allow for more manufacturing in null sec. That just means more people experiences what I experience every day.

Fixing null sec will not improve, or make wholey worthwhile, T2 production in null. This doesn't apply to only ships. Fixing null is only an improvement for the part time producer or guy who wants to make some of his own stuff, as well as miners.


There's no, to very little difference, in what it cost me to produce in null as it does in high.

With the exception of being able to mine a good amount of my own minerals in high, but without dualboxing that's not that big an improvement on margins. It makes it profitable to produce and export my ammo, instead of tieing up multiple jobs for a week; I can support 2 full run BPO's without to much effort.

I can sell stuff in a market 7 jumps from Jita without being impacted by Jita. However, 29 jumps away the stuff I make is in constant competition with imports from Jita; which means near Jita level pricing.

Allowing for more production in null sec, which is all that the "fixes" people expet will do, would increase competiton on the goods I produce. A fix to null sec industry, alone, is a nerf to every dedicated null producer like me. Null markets are not Jita, we do not depend upon selling high volumes to make our ISK. Putting more competition in null is only going to exacerbate the problem by generating more T2 goods that drive prices down even further.

The only people that would benefit from a null only fix would be the miners.

T2 prodcution in high sec needs to be moved to .7 space and below.
The number of available production slots needs to be reduced, and have thier costs increased.
It needs to inherently cost more to assemble T2 goods in high sec. That does not mean creating condititions that would cause the price of T2 items to double.

You can afford to pay some percentage more for T2 items. I know what people are able and willing to pay for things, and production cost is well bellow the minimum level. The only people that would be effected by this are PvE mission runners, null importers, PoS owners, and high sec industrial corporations. The later two positively.

There should be an emphasis on T2 production in PoS's in high sec.
High sec, player run corporation industrialists are not being rewarded for being in a player run corporation. Things like better refining and manufacturing should be rewards for joining a player run corporation. This would be a buff to the high sec miner and player run ccrp industrialist; without preventing NPC corp industrialists from being able to do T2 production.

PS: I also feel that mid grade ores should be thinned and be emphasized more as a low sec mining reward.

Bro we have absolutely massive capacitors that always recharge at the same rate, and never degrade in storage capacity!
Somehow, our batteries make fire!

Oh, and everything has a giant, invisible forcefield around it to avoid ship collisions. Somehow, a General in the Gallente Navy disabled his, and rammed whatever a Nyx is, into a station! Utterly destroying both!

This was years ago! and the station is still ablaze! Man, you would figure the Caldari would stop supplying oxygen to that thing.