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T3 future nerf or not?
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Ethan Swiftblade
Albireo Solem
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2013-02-26 13:27:21 UTC
Hello everyone,

I've looked everywhere to understand if the T3s will be nerfed in the next future or not... everyone is talking about it but not a real post from devs or anything.

Why I ask is, i am currently perfecting 3 accounts, one tengu, one proteus, one loki, and i would love to know if its time wasted from my side... If i should look into other ships instead?

Will tengu be able to RR in C4s?
Will proteus / loki still be good for solo roaming pvp in wormholes?

Please let me know with advices on what would you do,
Adelise Arran
The SPARTAN-II Project
#2 - 2013-02-26 13:35:18 UTC
For missile nerf is Tengu not good as before but nerf missile also Legion but not assault. Proteus blaster is honeycombing so for good and not nerf gank also good point range but short range blasters

Loki good shield tank no missile, web nice when gank
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-02-26 14:19:45 UTC
According to the CSM minutes CCP want to nerf T3 tank and speed.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Adelise Arran
The SPARTAN-II Project
#4 - 2013-02-26 14:26:30 UTC
Chitsa Jason wrote:
According to the CSM minutes CCP want to nerf T3 tank and speed.


He meaan tech 3 not teir 3
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#5 - 2013-02-26 14:58:44 UTC
There has been no official word besides they want to, however many of our best guess is that its the tank that you will see being reduces. Not as much shield rr tengus but the other 3. Armor tanking T3s become far too sturdy with the addition of 1600s ( sometimes multiple).

Regardless of what ccp does I would not consider it a waste of time as knowing CCP it will be quite a while before they get to it.

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Doc Hollidai
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#6 - 2013-02-26 15:42:44 UTC
ExookiZ wrote:
Armor tanking T3s become far too sturdy with the addition of 1600s ( sometimes multiple).



Tech 3's with huge tanks are the counter to this supposed "dread blapping"...
Ethan Swiftblade
Albireo Solem
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2013-02-26 15:54:04 UTC
ExookiZ wrote:
There has been no official word besides they want to, however many of our best guess is that its the tank that you will see being reduces. Not as much shield rr tengus but the other 3. Armor tanking T3s become far too sturdy with the addition of 1600s ( sometimes multiple).

Regardless of what ccp does I would not consider it a waste of time as knowing CCP it will be quite a while before they get to it.



Thank you, this answer at least makes me keep going on the goal proposed 4 months ago.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#8 - 2013-02-26 16:22:16 UTC
Some how I wouldn't doubt it if they did.
Ethan Swiftblade
Albireo Solem
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2013-02-26 17:21:41 UTC
I dont know how you all do it, but for me, when i plan for a 6months - 1 year skill plan... would love to know from way ahead of time if things gets nerfed..... :S
chris elliot
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#10 - 2013-02-26 19:24:53 UTC
Its gonna get nerfed
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-26 20:45:33 UTC
command ships are gonna be the new t3. you shall see. inb4 abso fleets
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-02-26 20:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Sorry, not going to fly a bil isk ship if it doesn't tank like one. To reduce a T3's tank to something on par with a ship you can buy & fit for less than 300mil and in many cases less than 100mil is just ridiculous.

Don't ban me, bro!
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#13 - 2013-02-26 20:54:45 UTC
Casirio wrote:
command ships are gonna be the new t3. you shall see. inb4 abso fleets


I don't think they're going to be the DPS/Mainline boats you're expecting

December Minutes wrote:
To further explain the vision between T1, T2, and T3, Ytterbium pulled up his Command Ship devblog.
Ytterbium pointed out that command ships would be very specialized and would get the best bonuses,
however they would be limited in their ability to fight and do other things. Ytterbium described that his
vision for T3s would let T3s fit more diverse gang links, while being able to do other things – like fight, or
use ewar – simultaneously.

I ♥ the orthrus
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-02-26 21:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Casirio
Ayeson wrote:
Casirio wrote:
command ships are gonna be the new t3. you shall see. inb4 abso fleets


I don't think they're going to be the DPS/Mainline boats you're expecting

December Minutes wrote:
To further explain the vision between T1, T2, and T3, Ytterbium pulled up his Command Ship devblog.
Ytterbium pointed out that command ships would be very specialized and would get the best bonuses,
however they would be limited in their ability to fight and do other things. Ytterbium described that his
vision for T3s would let T3s fit more diverse gang links, while being able to do other things – like fight, or
use ewar – simultaneously.


we will see after T3 gets nerfed and isnt worth losing 1 bil and skill points.

and maybe you forgot this chart?
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63522/1/Commandshipchanges2.jpg
noted their role is still "combat" and i'm sure they will be able fit for gank and not just links
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#15 - 2013-02-26 21:17:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayeson
Casirio wrote:
Ayeson wrote:
Casirio wrote:
command ships are gonna be the new t3. you shall see. inb4 abso fleets


I don't think they're going to be the DPS/Mainline boats you're expecting

December Minutes wrote:
To further explain the vision between T1, T2, and T3, Ytterbium pulled up his Command Ship devblog.
Ytterbium pointed out that command ships would be very specialized and would get the best bonuses,
however they would be limited in their ability to fight and do other things. Ytterbium described that his
vision for T3s would let T3s fit more diverse gang links, while being able to do other things – like fight, or
use ewar – simultaneously.


we will see after T3 gets nerfed and isnt worth losing 1 bil and skill points.

and maybe you forgot this chart?
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63522/1/Commandshipchanges2.jpg


Not sure what meaning you're trying to convey with that chart, because it echoes my quote above.

To me, it shows that Command Ships are getting increased link bonus percentages as well as an additional link type. And T3's are getting smaller bonuses but with an additional type of link on top of the command ships.

On the role topic, Just because they put the word combat in there, doesn't mean that it's going to be better at combat than a T3.

Remember, You can call a F-117 a fighter, but its still a bomber/tactical munitions delivery vehicle/whatever.

I ♥ the orthrus
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-02-26 21:21:22 UTC
im not trying to argue. I hope T3's arent nerfed to **** but it seems inevitable. I don't see why you think Command Ships wont be able to put out respectable dps, where are you getting that from?
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#17 - 2013-02-26 21:31:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayeson
:not arguing:

Command ships do great DPS currently, and I don't think they're going to lose much of that capability, especially with some of the changes on the horizon.

I just don't think CCP/Fozzie will re-balance the T3's in a way that make them a subpar DPS boat to a Command Ship, especially when it seems like CCP is trying to fix command ships and slot them back into the boosting role that was usurped by the T3's. Why would they go ahead and fix that problem, but in doing so create the inverse of that exact same situation? I don't see it happening that way, but I may be wrong.

I ♥ the orthrus
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-02-26 21:44:19 UTC
Cool, well yeah I didn't think you were arguing either. I hope you are right, I do not want T3's to be obsolete, as its the bread and butter of w-space. I guess we shall see.
Marsan
#19 - 2013-02-26 22:58:23 UTC
I don't think T3 are going to get a huge nerf per say, however

- The tech 3s will be less effective than command ships at boosting or alternately there will distinct benefits to both sides.
- The tech 1 ships are increasing in effectiveness, and the difference between tech 3, tech 2, and tech 1 will decrease.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-02-26 23:06:24 UTC
Ayeson wrote:
:not arguing:

Command ships do great DPS currently, and I don't think they're going to lose much of that capability, especially with some of the changes on the horizon.

I just don't think CCP/Fozzie will re-balance the T3's in a way that make them a subpar DPS boat to a Command Ship, especially when it seems like CCP is trying to fix command ships and slot them back into the boosting role that was usurped by the T3's. Why would they go ahead and fix that problem, but in doing so create the inverse of that exact same situation? I don't see it happening that way, but I may be wrong.


While I would like to have faith in what you're saying my faith in CCP is so damage by previous examples of fail that I wouldn't bet 1 isk that they don't go overboard and make T3's only slightly desirable as a status symbol and little else. *shrugs*

Don't ban me, bro!
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