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New Gallente BC should be a Drone Command Ship
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Songbird
#21 - 2011-10-27 03:48:55 UTC
it is the worst tier 2 - it's dps bonus applies to it's 5 medium drones ffs - the only good fits of the myrm don't even field gallente guns. And as for the tri-rep myrm - it's a MULTI-player game - you should have logistics rep you- if you're facing big enough fleet you will die before you have time to cycle the reppers even once.

just look at the other 3 BC , gun and gun cap use, gun and gun, missiles and resists. Now myrm gets 5 medium drones - with the bonus 237 DPS - woohooo - I better watch out for those myrm fleets - nearly invulnerable with their triple reppers - it's the scourge of the low secs.

I just hope that the new BC is fast enough to be able to use that web bonus, cause as wildly popular as the Brutix is this new one just might have some big shoes to fill.
Jesus Rambo
Criterion.
Pandemic Legion
#22 - 2011-10-27 05:00:06 UTC
Songbird wrote:
it is the worst tier 2 - it's dps bonus applies to it's 5 medium drones ffs - the only good fits of the myrm don't even field gallente guns. And as for the tri-rep myrm - it's a MULTI-player game - you should have logistics rep you- if you're facing big enough fleet you will die before you have time to cycle the reppers even once.


Nope.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#23 - 2011-10-27 05:12:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Songbird... it sounds like you do more large scale fleets than small gangs. The Myrm is supposed to be a small gang battlecruiser... not a fleet ship. More than that, it possesses adaptability and numerous fits that the other 3 battlecruisers cannot match due to it's slot configuration, lack of turret bonus (it can use whatever it wants), and largish drone bay.

Here are two of my favorites:


[Myrmidon - Immabrickwatchmesit]

[Lows]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Reactive Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

[Mids]
ECCM - Gravametric II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webbifier II

[Highs]
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

[Rigs]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

[Drones]
2x Ogre II
2x Hammerhead II
1x Hobgoblin II
5x Warrior II
5x Vespa EC-600

Notes: Moves like a bloated whale, but has 100k+ EHP (more with slave implants) with above average resistances, and dishes ~450 DPS. Cap lasts about 5 minutes with the MWD off.
Tactics: Pretty self explanatory... it's bait (that can also work semi-solo). The best part about this fit is that people expect the Myrmidon to be "squishy"... so they tend to make it "primary" in a gang fight. It's only until people get the armor down to 75% that they realize how much buffer it has and scramble to another, "softer," primary target.


[Myrmidon - ImmaGankBrutixbutbetter]

[Lows]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

[Mids]
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II

[Highs]
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Small Nosferatu II

[Rigs]
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

[Drones]
2x Ogre II
2x Hammerhead II
1x Hobgoblin II
5x Warrior II
5x Vespa EC-600

Notes: About ~60k EHP with so-so resists, has a max speed of ~1100 m/sec, and pumps out ~600 DPS.
Tactics: Imagine you are flying a Hurricane... but you are bulkier, dish out a fair bit more DPS and half your damage output comes from a weapon system that is independent of you (and thus free from any "issues" that might be afflicting you).
Now... you CAN kite targets if you load the turrets with Null ammo, but it's much more fun (and effective) to go in with weapons overloaded and with faction Antimatter in them.

How did you Veterans start?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-10-27 05:13:41 UTC
I agree that Gallente needs a deticated drone ship but that would have to involve allowing a sub capital ship to control more than 5 drones which I do not see happening. The new BC though are going to be incredible if they are left as is, I looked through the data on them and as far as I can tell they are going to be big destroyers with really big guns or missiles in the case of Caldari

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Cillet Baang Scott
Allowance Pester Dread
#25 - 2011-10-27 05:55:14 UTC
Hi!.. Barry Scott here.

Hope they do something about cruise missiles. Because as it is, I am not training that skill past level 1.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-10-27 06:09:26 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Worst tier 2? Someone has never fought a tri rep myrm in pvp...

Or double plater.....

Both are a hell of a lot of fun and don't need their guns at all to push 500DPS specially if you get them in your webs.


So far as it goes, the Talos is going to be essentially the Brutix from hell, large blasters have about double the useful range of meduims so in gangs its going to wreck **** with that web bonus and a blaster loving.
Lord Mandelor
Oruze Cruise
White Stag Exit Bag
#27 - 2011-10-27 07:13:31 UTC
Nah, the Gallente have plenty of drone boats already.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2011-10-27 08:20:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
i wish theyd just fix the Eos. wouldnt need a BC drone boat then. domi, ishtar and ishkur are some of the best in the class.

people also need to stop counting the myrm's blaster dps as dps. the myrm cant catch ANYTHING, and the only viable dps fit involves medium autocannons.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-10-27 09:38:45 UTC
That is debatable.


I have a number sub 5 man BC gang kills that my little no blaster deeps Myrm did more damage than the other four guys....its just a matter of getting them pinned down.
Cron Moonvexor
Halloween Mining Party
#30 - 2011-10-27 12:06:42 UTC
OMG! 90% SpeedPenalty for Talos' web !!
Looks like CCP reads my thoughts and goes right way =)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5238/taloample.jpg

I think we need give the devs a hint about giving gallente blaster ships interesting bonuses for stasis webs)) For ex., bonus on web's range for large ships and speedpenalty bonus on fast agile ships.

Truly, if Galls are not outstanding in speed and turrets range, they should be OUTSTANDING in their webs' range! =)
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#31 - 2011-10-27 12:12:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Agreed, web range would be a much better tool for a blaster boat, though 90% webs are quite nice on the occasion that you actually manage to catch something.

thhief ghabmoef
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2011-10-27 12:38:46 UTC
No way , gall already has the dominix which is very close to being a bc itself , i think new tier 3 bc would cost around tier 1 bs cost , so what would be the difference between this and a domi ? Very little ,so why to make a new class just for that?
It should be a heavily hybrid oriented ship without drones.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#33 - 2011-10-27 15:28:50 UTC
Nah, until they improve drones let's stick to the proposed omgwtfpwn boat called the Talos. I'd like to own at least one Gallente ship that can nano around the battlefield with the rest of my fleetmates and not feel like a cripple.
Boodreau
The Awoken
Get Off My Lawn
#34 - 2011-10-27 16:00:36 UTC
They just unvailed some pictures of the Talos. Eve Gate home page, bottom left, there is a link for it.

It is described as "smaller, more expendable vindicator".

I know it looks really good.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#35 - 2011-10-27 19:05:26 UTC
Cillet Baang Scott wrote:
Hi!.. Barry Scott here.

Hope they do something about cruise missiles. Because as it is, I am not training that skill past level 1.


TP's+Rigor +spec = win, now if you want to hunt dramiels with you're better with light's
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2011-10-27 19:09:19 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Cillet Baang Scott wrote:
Hi!.. Barry Scott here.

Hope they do something about cruise missiles. Because as it is, I am not training that skill past level 1.


TP's+Rigor +spec = win, now if you want to hunt dramiels with you're better with light's

no
cruise missiles are crap, too low explosion velocity with too high sig radius
and delay is way too high at their intended range
bloomeh
Stormy Riders
#37 - 2011-10-28 08:00:00 UTC
I wouldn't have a problem with it being a drone boat with 125. Give it a bonus to heavy drone dmg and a bonus to sentry range to compete with the others. With a flight of ogre IIs it would do mean close range damage and with a flight of T2 sentries it could hit decent sniper range and do mean damage.

It's an idea anyways. Just because it's not how you would play it doesn't mean it's fail folks. It just means it is a different play style than you play.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2011-10-28 08:16:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Naomi Knight wrote:
No way , gall already has the dominix which is very close to being a bc itself , i think new tier 3 bc would cost around tier 1 bs cost , so what would be the difference between this and a domi ? Very little ,so why to make a new class just for that?
It should be a heavily hybrid oriented ship without drones.



Essentially because everyone else is getting them.

Plus, while the Domi is cheap, its not exactly fast, and its not an ideal roamer outside of R/R BS gangs or the ever-lovable neut-you-hell fit. I'd seriously laugh my ass off the first nano-domi I killed.

From the test server changes Talos only has a 25m3 drone bay, so that is 5 lights, period. Gallente have plenty of drone boats, If I wanted to rely on drones (which I certainly don't) I'd just fly an Ishkur or Ishtar.

However tackling people and waiting for your drones to catch up sucks, so I rarely fly non-bait plated ships with heavy drones.
Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2011-10-28 18:47:38 UTC
I think the Talos should have one of them CPU reduction bonuses for Drone Control Units so it can fit up to two Drone Control Units if it wants to. That would be fun.
Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
#40 - 2011-10-28 23:26:39 UTC
Disagree (sorry!). A Talos as blaster-gank-BC fits much better into the glasscannon theme CCP has chosen for the new Tier 3s.

Myrmidon on the other hand could need a little tweak. It's a rather good ship, the problem is it plays in the same category as the very good Hurricane or Drake. A little more drone bandwidth (lets say 100 m/bit) would go a long way.

Cala

Pain is short, and joy is eternal.
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