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CCP is not the God of EVE ... stop over buffnerfing

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SoOza N'GasZ
L F C
Ethereal Dawn
#81 - 2013-02-26 12:54:47 UTC  |  Edited by: SoOza N'GasZ
Hannott Thanos wrote:
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
I'm off to overbuffnerf my education! Cool


that may just get you a job making a grade entertainment my friend.

but heres a tip ... leave away the nerf and just buff.

Only buffing is what breaks games if you didn't know


even buffing to perfect equality?

if buffing breaks games then so does nerfing

Legba
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#82 - 2013-02-26 12:56:23 UTC
Confirming that buffing and buffing without nerfing is officially called "power creep", is especially prevalent in MMOs of the asian and/or free-to-play variety and destroys games with a ravenous hunger that annihilates anything it touches, leaving only ruination and dwindling revenues in its wake.
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#83 - 2013-02-26 12:57:22 UTC
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
I'm off to overbuffnerf my education! Cool


that may just get you a job making a grade entertainment my friend.

but heres a tip ... leave away the nerf and just buff.

Only buffing is what breaks games if you didn't know


even buffing to perfect equality?

Yes. Or sort of yes, because that never happens.

Lets say you have 200 ships.

1 of them is overpowered, and everyone flies that ship.

Do you buff 199 ships, or do you try to nerf that one down to the level of the others?

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}
SoOza N'GasZ
L F C
Ethereal Dawn
#84 - 2013-02-26 12:58:25 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Confirming that buffing and buffing without nerfing is officially called "power creep", is especially prevalent in MMOs of the asian and/or free-to-play variety and destroys games with a ravenous hunger that annihilates anything it touches, leaving only ruination and dwindling revenues in its wake.


i had no idea..... thank you

Legba
SoOza N'GasZ
L F C
Ethereal Dawn
#85 - 2013-02-26 13:00:12 UTC  |  Edited by: SoOza N'GasZ
Hannott Thanos wrote:
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
I'm off to overbuffnerf my education! Cool


that may just get you a job making a grade entertainment my friend.

but heres a tip ... leave away the nerf and just buff.

Only buffing is what breaks games if you didn't know


even buffing to perfect equality?

Yes. Or sort of yes, because that never happens.

Lets say you have 200 ships.

1 of them is overpowered, and everyone flies that ship.

Do you buff 199 ships, or do you try to nerf that one down to the level of the others?


i would say buff 199 ships because otherwise the geme becomes a game where dev induces equality whilst in the other version the world evolves naturally causing other races to become a threat to old superpowers = artistic credibility.

your number makes it sound rediculous though.

aka barichello tells f1 to nerf schumachers car because he is mad that schumacher keeps winning.

not gonna happen.

Legba
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#86 - 2013-02-26 13:05:59 UTC
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:

i would say buff 199 ships because otherwise the geme becomes a game where dev induces equality whilst in the other version the world evolves naturally causing other races to become a threat to old superpowers = artistic credibility.

your number makes it sound rediculous though.

aka barichello tells f1 to nerf schumachers car because he is mad that schumacher keeps winning.

not gonna happen.

Ok, 147 then, sorry. (That's the amount of frigs, destroyers, cruisers, battlecruisers and battleships in the game, not including faction or pirate)

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}
SoOza N'GasZ
L F C
Ethereal Dawn
#87 - 2013-02-26 13:09:29 UTC
Hannott Thanos wrote:
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:

i would say buff 199 ships because otherwise the geme becomes a game where dev induces equality whilst in the other version the world evolves naturally causing other races to become a threat to old superpowers = artistic credibility.

your number makes it sound rediculous though.

aka barichello tells f1 to nerf schumachers car because he is mad that schumacher keeps winning.

not gonna happen.

Ok, 147 then, sorry. (That's the amount of frigs, destroyers, cruisers, battlecruisers and battleships in the game, not including faction or pirate)
did ccp edit them all?

Legba
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#88 - 2013-02-26 13:11:10 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
The artistic credibility is bull**** in a game like EVE.

"aka barichello tells f1 to nerf schumachers car because he is mad that schumacher keeps winning."

Bad comparison. Schumacher might just be better at driving for all we know and would win with any of the other cars on the track. Which in fact is a good comparison on my part since pilot skill should trump ship power.

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#89 - 2013-02-26 13:12:56 UTC
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
did ccp edit them all?

Not all at once, which is a point here too.

You think it would be fun if we had 6 months with frigates dominating every other ship in the game just because we wanted every ship to in the end become "better"?

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}
SoOza N'GasZ
L F C
Ethereal Dawn
#90 - 2013-02-26 13:13:11 UTC
Hannott Thanos wrote:
The artistic credibility is bullshit in a game like EVE.

"aka barichello tells f1 to nerf schumachers car because he is mad that schumacher keeps winning."

Bad comparison. Schumacher might just be better at driving for all we know and would win with any of the other cars on the track. Which in fact is a good comparison on my part since pilot skill should trump ship power.


yes but we also know he had a better car than 90% of all drivers on field.

Legba
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#91 - 2013-02-26 14:23:25 UTC
I have removed some personal attacks from this thread.

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Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2013-02-26 15:21:16 UTC
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:
The artistic credibility is bullshit in a game like EVE.

"aka barichello tells f1 to nerf schumachers car because he is mad that schumacher keeps winning."

Bad comparison. Schumacher might just be better at driving for all we know and would win with any of the other cars on the track. Which in fact is a good comparison on my part since pilot skill should trump ship power.


yes but we also know he had a better car than 90% of all drivers on field.



and why exactly is that a good thing for a game

I have bolded the most important word in that sentence above. Do I also need to underline it?
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2013-02-26 15:33:41 UTC
SoOza N'GasZ has been banned from the forums.
I just received this eve mail from him regarding my above post:
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:

bannedFrom: SoOza N'GasZ
To: Spugg Galdon

INBOX
i was banned from the forums but you do not need to underline it you angry little man. ;)




This is probably my fault for reporting his personal attacks on players.

I am now accepting donations of ISK for getting him banned.


Thank you.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#94 - 2013-02-26 16:12:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
EVE is most deffinatley being dumbed down.


So for you a smart men game is the one where there's no real choice for win but fly the ultimate gank machine, with an alt top links skilled+implants vs mining barges and haulers...

Dumb was what battlecruisers state was before this balance, now it's +/- balanced, wiser and offers to all players valuable choices.

Now if you were complaining about Brutix, the active armor rep bonus, the AAR or RAH, I'd probably not think you're trolling.

Cane is still an awesome ship to fly, the cookie cutter double neut autos shield 650dps cane is replaced by an EvEn faster tankier excellent dps Cyclone.
Learn to fit it, fly it. If you want a good cane, he's still there, awesome agile fast excellent dps, tanky wiht shield or armor tank and on top of it: fits artys like no other ship.

Isn't this great?

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Sigras
Conglomo
#95 - 2013-02-27 08:40:00 UTC
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:

that may just get you a job making a grade entertainment my friend.

but heres a tip ... leave away the nerf and just buff.

Only buffing is what breaks games if you didn't know


even buffing to perfect equality?

Yes. Or sort of yes, because that never happens.

Lets say you have 200 ships.

1 of them is overpowered, and everyone flies that ship.

Do you buff 199 ships, or do you try to nerf that one down to the level of the others?


i would say buff 199 ships because otherwise the geme becomes a game where dev induces equality whilst in the other version the world evolves naturally causing other races to become a threat to old superpowers = artistic credibility.

your number makes it sound rediculous though.

aka barichello tells f1 to nerf schumachers car because he is mad that schumacher keeps winning.

not gonna happen.

This is just . . . . facepalm

you realize in the process of buffing the other 199 ships is going to result in one of the other ships being overpowered? not to mention take 199x the manpower and time that nerfing the one ship would?

The fact that it makes no RP sense is not a reason to make decisions that hurt gameplay.
Randy Wray
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#96 - 2013-02-27 11:27:03 UTC
I feel like they went a little too hard on the rifter and hurricane, they both have a hard time to compete with their newly buffed counterparts. Sure you can still kill some things in em but I dont see a cane taking an 1100 dps shield brutix

I dont really see the HAM drake getting nerfed at all, I got a fit rolling atm with 850 dps hot and the same EHP as before.

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