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EvE is weird: Topic - PIRATES

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Leper ofBacon
HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN
#121 - 2013-02-26 00:44:45 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
The CandyGirl wrote:
Tears.

Watching really stupid people fail at hotdropping.

Tears

Threads like this


Hotsldropping Is A PERFECTLY LEGIT method of combat and has my losses from such have no relevance to this.
On a side note , I am very careful with my industrial ships , so no.
This thread isn'tfrom my hatred towards pirates , its from my bewilderment and reflection on my recent life in piracy.


Loss and gain of ISK is profoundly unimportant because it has no essential value in real life and you don't really own it. Solely in the context of the game I want to acquire ISK in any way the game allows. I will take your virtual credits wherever possible without ill feeling.

This is exactly like chess or BF3. In both these games you are given 'game pieces' and within the context of a virtual world you attempt to take what has been placed in the game at another player's disposal. EVE has more complexity than this, but essentially when game mechanics say 'you can do this', then you should not face any kind justice for playing within the rules of the game. Anything else is insane and almost too hard to argue because it is so obvious.

You take the game too seriously, you should take a step back.
dark heartt
#122 - 2013-02-26 00:50:50 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
*snipped inappropriate link* - CCP Eterne

But seriously , what kind of satisfaction do they get from killing indies who can't shoot back??
And most importantly , BLUE ALTS!
What is happening in the mind of the indy shooters and AWOXERS???


I can't speak for AWOXers, but the people who target indies do it for two main reasons, profit or fun.
The profit is a little harder these days, but still able to be made if they pick the target well. The fun is usually from the rage that follows. We've all seen the posts of chat logs that contain some pretty hardcore tears of miners and indy pilots who have been ganked. Funny thing is if you just laugh it off and don't get mad they are usually pretty cool people (I'm looking at the person who ganked my Badger Mark II, you were cool).

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#123 - 2013-02-26 01:16:00 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Ivy Romanova wrote:
That's because I was wrong on quite a few accounts and I corrected my posts as I rethink my statements and is corrected by various people in the post?
With the API key problem.
Yes , yes you do.
You provide API key to a killboard or battleflinic , chances are you'll end up on griefer watch some way or another , and this is a simple extension of that.
CONSEQUENCES TO THE PUPPETEERS,NOT THE PUPPETS


Ok, so tell me which other characters are on this account? Characters on the same account are already connected by virtue of being on the same account.

My API is on EVE-Kill, Z-Kill, PL KB, and maybe Battleclinic (I don't remember).

In other words, you have no idea how the API system works.

This grieferwatch thing of yours has no access to the API keys of the people it's tracking and your suggestion wouldn't change that.

Even if it did, it would simply be a tool for harassment (this time, in game, which is a little better than your previous call for a RL harassment tool).


Besides that, why do you want to entirely destroy spying? (This is the only real effect of your newly not criminal*, but still terrible proposals).

*Since RL harassment is a crime, your initial proposal was advocating a crime.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#124 - 2013-02-26 01:17:31 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
And about those who said EvE and real life psychology isn't connected.

It is , its provides insight to yourself.
What sort of person would you be when rules of society no longer constrain your mortal flesh and you become a demigod.

...in a universe where every other individual is an immortal demigod and there are no lasting consequences to your actions.

You see, Eve is a game. It's not real. These internet space ships are just pixels and anyone who allows them to impact their real life needs to take a break from the computer. Saying that I'd be a terrible person because I'm a bad guy in Eve is like saying every CoD player is a serial killer waiting to happen.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#125 - 2013-02-26 01:19:54 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Ivy Romanova wrote:
It is , its provides insight to yourself.
What sort of person would you be when rules of society no longer constrain your mortal flesh and you become a demigod.


.... and were playing a game.


You keep forgetting this very important part.


None of your in game actions in EVE carry any more psychological or moral weight than taking a pawn in Chess. Because EVE is a game.
How often do you murder royalty and soldiers in real life? You murder them in Chess every game you play (unless you're really bad at it, I suppose).


Oh, and every time you kill an NPC ship, you're killing its entire crew of hundreds to thousands (per Lore), so (assuming your bullshit link between in game actions and RL morality were valid) who are the real monsters? People killing capsuleers (in ships with skeleton crews) or people killing NPCs (in ships with full complements, because they're not using pod technology).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#126 - 2013-02-26 01:21:42 UTC
Leper ofBacon wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
The CandyGirl wrote:
Tears.

Watching really stupid people fail at hotdropping.

Tears

Threads like this


Hotsldropping Is A PERFECTLY LEGIT method of combat and has my losses from such have no relevance to this.
On a side note , I am very careful with my industrial ships , so no.
This thread isn'tfrom my hatred towards pirates , its from my bewilderment and reflection on my recent life in piracy.


Loss and gain of ISK is profoundly unimportant because it has no essential value in real life and you don't really own it. Solely in the context of the game I want to acquire ISK in any way the game allows. I will take your virtual credits wherever possible without ill feeling.

This is exactly like chess or BF3. In both these games you are given 'game pieces' and within the context of a virtual world you attempt to take what has been placed in the game at another player's disposal. EVE has more complexity than this, but essentially when game mechanics say 'you can do this', then you should not face any kind justice for playing within the rules of the game. Anything else is insane and almost too hard to argue because it is so obvious.

You take the game too seriously, you should take a step back.



TRUE , but we are not talking about the GAME punishing the players when they're playing within the boundary , we are talking about making once action binding across accounts so as to better transfer the consequences onto the account holder.
Bear in mind , often those "pirates" have alts that does the shopping for them, even Indy alts mining 24/7 undercover in an industrial corp.
Are those who secretly destroy for the pleasure of suffering people who you would like to be friends with ?
Are those trustworthy directors ?
Would their destructive inclinations be transferred towards your alliance one day when you wrong him?

This game isn't about law and punishment .
Despite of my personal feelings... After reading all this..
All it comes down to is cause and effect , actions and consequences.
And I believe the consequences being only binding towards an imaginary and disposable figure is far too shallow.

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#127 - 2013-02-26 01:23:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
RubyPorto wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
That's because I was wrong on quite a few accounts and I corrected my posts as I rethink my statements and is corrected by various people in the post?
With the API key problem.
Yes , yes you do.
You provide API key to a killboard or battleflinic , chances are you'll end up on griefer watch some way or another , and this is a simple extension of that.
CONSEQUENCES TO THE PUPPETEERS,NOT THE PUPPETS


Ok, so tell me which other characters are on this account? Characters on the same account are already connected by virtue of being on the same account.

My API is on EVE-Kill, Z-Kill, PL KB, and maybe Battleclinic (I don't remember).

In other words, you have no idea how the API system works.

This grieferwatch thing of yours has no access to the API keys of the people it's tracking and your suggestion wouldn't change that.

Even if it did, it would simply be a tool for harassment (this time, in game, which is a little better than your previous call for a RL harassment tool).


Besides that, why do you want to entirely destroy spying? (This is the only real effect of your newly not criminal*, but still terrible proposals).

*Since RL harassment is a crime, your initial proposal was advocating a crime.



You suck at comprehension , we are suggesting the extension and revamping of the system so as to better reflect to consequences.
and yes you have the option to opt out , there is ALWAYS an option in EvE , but...
How far would you go when you keep so much secrecy from the CEO.
There are always work arounds for spying , but that's another issue which by the nature of corporate espionage,is perfectly legit , same as pirating.
with the same problem being the lack of consequences on the person involved.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#128 - 2013-02-26 01:23:28 UTC
dark heartt wrote:
I can't speak for AWOXers, but the people who target indies do it for two main reasons, profit or fun.
The profit is a little harder these days, but still able to be made if they pick the target well. The fun is usually from the rage that follows. We've all seen the posts of chat logs that contain some pretty hardcore tears of miners and indy pilots who have been ganked. Funny thing is if you just laugh it off and don't get mad they are usually pretty cool people (I'm looking at the person who ganked my Badger Mark II, you were cool).

Pretty much this. I don't play for "tear collection", but I get a good chuckle at just how mindblowingly dumb some people can be. That guy raging at how I'm a terrible human being because I blew up the untanked hauler that contained his entire life can be quite entertaining.

What I really enjoy, though, is those guys who ask what they did wrong. How they could do better. Eve needs more of them, and I'll do everything I can to keep them interested in the game.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#129 - 2013-02-26 01:25:38 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Ivy Romanova wrote:
You suck at comprehension , we are suggesting the extension and revamping of the system so as to better allow me to harass people I dislike, and incidentally remove spying from EVE.


FYP.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#130 - 2013-02-26 01:27:23 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
TRUE , but we are not talking about the GAME punishing the players when they're playing within the boundary , we are talking about making once action binding across accounts so as to better transfer the consequences onto the account holder.

...and thus utterly ending espionage in Eve.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2013-02-26 01:36:03 UTC
I'm going to cut to the chase here. Are you in a corp that when war decced hop corp and join another to avoid it? If so, you're part of the reason why AWOXERS exist. It's the only way to get at you.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#132 - 2013-02-26 01:38:06 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
making the person behind the account accountable for the actions instead of the toon.


Yes, I'm sure anyone involved in my personal life is going to be concerned that I joined someones space corporation in a computer game & blew them up. Most wouldn't care, the rest would find it hilarious.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#133 - 2013-02-26 01:46:19 UTC
I was under the impression that the entire deal with pirates is that they targeted relatively defenseless, high value targets with the intent of plundering them or ransoming them for profit.

I mean you don't see Somalian pirates attacking US navy destroyers because they feel like container ships aren't challenging enough.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#134 - 2013-02-26 01:47:04 UTC
FeralShadow wrote:
I'm going to cut to the chase here. Are you in a corp that when war decced hop corp and join another to avoid it? If so, you're part of the reason why AWOXERS exist. It's the only way to get at you.


Also people who watch local.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#135 - 2013-02-26 01:52:10 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I mean you don't see Somalian pirates attacking US navy destroyers because they feel like container ships aren't challenging enough.


This actually happened a couple of years back. They somehow mistook it for a yacht.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#136 - 2013-02-26 04:48:45 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I mean you don't see Somalian pirates attacking US navy destroyers because they feel like container ships aren't challenging enough.


This actually happened a couple of years back. They somehow mistook it for a yacht.

No one ever said intelligence is a prerequisite for piracy.

Just for long-term piracy.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2013-02-26 05:57:00 UTC
Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#138 - 2013-02-26 05:57:22 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Combat in low sec is NOT a problem, but dishonorable acts is.

It's a video game. Aside from hacking there are no such thing as dishonorable acts.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#139 - 2013-02-26 07:53:09 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I mean you don't see Somalian pirates attacking US navy destroyers because they feel like container ships aren't challenging enough.


This actually happened a couple of years back. They somehow mistook it for a yacht.


I could only find a German Navy Supply ship attacted by accident:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/30/pirates-attack-nato-ship

I did find an example of them attacking a US Navy Firgate, but the article doesn't explicitly say it was by mistake (though... seriously?).
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-04-01/world/navy.pirates_1_pirates-european-union-naval-force-indian-ocean?_s=PM:WORLD


P.S. I didn't know we had a ship class named after one of my favorite US Naval heroes. Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#140 - 2013-02-26 08:05:41 UTC
What is "Eve" ?? Is that some new game?

Respect the EVE.

Thank you.