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About "New order of highsec" and there spamming in local

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Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#61 - 2013-02-25 23:09:10 UTC
I've delt with them on numerous occasions.

Best thing to do is:
1. Right click on you mining taget (Ice), click approach.
1a. This renders their bumping useless, they can bump you all day long and you will still keep approaching your target.
2. Minimize local
2a. This renders their spamming useless.
3. Profit ???

Problem solved :)
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-02-25 23:24:41 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:
I've delt with them on numerous occasions.

Best thing to do is:
1. Right click on you mining taget (Ice), click approach.
1a. This renders their bumping useless, they can bump you all day long and you will still keep approaching your target.
2. Minimize local
2a. This renders their spamming useless.
3. Profit ???

Problem solved :)

Unless you are afk, because then you return you discover your lasers haven't been active for some time.

Proud member of the New Order of HighSec
Agent Eunoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-02-25 23:34:53 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:
I've delt with them on numerous occasions.

Best thing to do is:
1. Right click on you mining taget (Ice), click approach.
1a. This renders their bumping useless, they can bump you all day long and you will still keep approaching your target.
2. Minimize local
2a. This renders their spamming useless.
3. Profit ???

Problem solved :)

Better thing to do: buy a mining permit and support emergent gameplay.

Cinematic HD EVE Movies: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveEunoli/
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#64 - 2013-02-25 23:36:47 UTC
Agent Eunoli wrote:
Pewty McPew wrote:
I've delt with them on numerous occasions.

Best thing to do is:
1. Right click on you mining taget (Ice), click approach.
1a. This renders their bumping useless, they can bump you all day long and you will still keep approaching your target.
2. Minimize local
2a. This renders their spamming useless.
3. Profit ???

Problem solved :)

Better thing to do: buy a mining permit and support emergent gameplay.


Give me 10 mil ISK I'll show you emergent gameplay
BillMurray
Goosefleet
Gooseflock Featheration
#65 - 2013-02-25 23:48:25 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:
I've delt with them on numerous occasions.

Best thing to do is:
1. Right click on you mining taget (Ice), click approach.
1a. This renders their bumping useless, they can bump you all day long and you will still keep approaching your target.
2. Minimize local
2a. This renders their spamming useless.
3. Profit ???

Problem solved :)


I don't have my diagrams on hand, but I'll give you a small tip on why approaching doesn't work. Approaching/orbiting an asteroid grants every AFKer their dream: still moving without being at the keyboard. However, this automates their movement and the movement pattern in-turn become predictable.

An example scenario would be a miner who has set their ship to always approach the asteroid. Even if the asteroid is being hugged, an Agent can still bump the ship a good 7-10km from the rock. Once that mining ship has slowed down from the bump, it will pull a 180 and approach the asteroid in a straight line. The Agent, at the same time, is still sitting where the bump occurred right where said miner is approaching to. This allows the Agent to fly directly at the miner who is now aiding the Agent by providing a clear, predictable flight plan with no chance of missing.

Orbiting is the same with the small caveat of constantly moving. Although they are flying in circles, bumping the miner out of this orbit will have them approaching the object they were orbiting in a straight line. Once again, a predictable path is set for the Agent to bump the miner with little to no mercy.

Of course, these are all New Order lies and you should employ the approaching and orbiting tactics to foil our every step.

Agent BillMurray, New Order of Highsec www.minerbumping.com

Mining Permits: 10m ISK per character for One (1) Year of mining in New Order systems. Contact an Agent today to purchase one!
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#66 - 2013-02-26 00:00:30 UTC
BillMurray wrote:
Pewty McPew wrote:
I've delt with them on numerous occasions.

Best thing to do is:
1. Right click on you mining taget (Ice), click approach.
1a. This renders their bumping useless, they can bump you all day long and you will still keep approaching your target.
2. Minimize local
2a. This renders their spamming useless.
3. Profit ???

Problem solved :)


I don't have my diagrams on hand, but I'll give you a small tip on why approaching doesn't work. Approaching/orbiting an asteroid grants every AFKer their dream: still moving without being at the keyboard. However, this automates their movement and the movement pattern in-turn become predictable.

An example scenario would be a miner who has set their ship to always approach the asteroid. Even if the asteroid is being hugged, an Agent can still bump the ship a good 7-10km from the rock. Once that mining ship has slowed down from the bump, it will pull a 180 and approach the asteroid in a straight line. The Agent, at the same time, is still sitting where the bump occurred right where said miner is approaching to. This allows the Agent to fly directly at the miner who is now aiding the Agent by providing a clear, predictable flight plan with no chance of missing.

Orbiting is the same with the small caveat of constantly moving. Although they are flying in circles, bumping the miner out of this orbit will have them approaching the object they were orbiting in a straight line. Once again, a predictable path is set for the Agent to bump the miner with little to no mercy.

Of course, these are all New Order lies and you should employ the approaching and orbiting tactics to foil our every step.


Well apparently the ones that tried unsuccessfully to bump me for several hours did not know this, or your math is off, cause approaching works just fine for me, always has.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#67 - 2013-02-26 00:05:20 UTC
They're pretty harmless with their antics out there in space.
Stegas Tyrano
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-02-26 00:39:33 UTC
Where does all this New Order stuff happen?

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BillMurray
Goosefleet
Gooseflock Featheration
#69 - 2013-02-26 00:46:05 UTC
Stegas Tyrano wrote:
Where does all this New Order stuff happen?

We are focused in Halaima/Kamio at the moment, but all systems in Highsec fall under our purview. Previously we were taking a road trip through Gallente space (Hi Brapelille!), but now we are back at our Capitol. Come join us!

Agent BillMurray, New Order of Highsec www.minerbumping.com

Mining Permits: 10m ISK per character for One (1) Year of mining in New Order systems. Contact an Agent today to purchase one!
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#70 - 2013-02-26 01:01:15 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Verfanny wrote:
You should already be aligned when mining. Better safe than sorry.


I did a stopwatch test on this with some guys in CAS corp chat and we came to the conclusion that pointing vaguely at the celestial doesn't help you align any quicker, the bulk of time taken by acceleration not turning the ship. We also concluded that in 0.5 systems the align time of a mackinaw is approximately the same as stated CONCORD response time (about 17-20 seconds iirc)

try it out, you may be surprised.



Yes most of the time aligning is spent accelerating...
Aligning you ship and staying stationary is useless...

What is meant by staying aligned is:
Pick two celestials opposite each other...
Align to one, set speed at 3/4 which is the speed you need to reach to jump to warp.
When almost out of range of rock, select other celestial and align to it and continue at 3/4 speed.
If you keep the celestial selected, all you have to do is hit warp and you will insta-warp off.

However is you are doing this you are obviously actively playing and contributing to the community, and are therefore unlikely to become a target of the New Order.

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-02-26 01:08:07 UTC
lol @ 'purview'

forums.  serious business.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2013-02-26 02:40:39 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
John E Normus wrote:
They won't move for the most part. And they come from far and wide to see the show. And we give it to them. Vultures, miners, mission runners, and the curious. Some get it more than once. Others, like a lot of people in this thread don't get it at all.

Wanna try your luck and take a shot at the good guys? We're operating out of Kamio at the moment. Player interaction in all forms are always welcome!

btw, another Orca and the Mack that was next to him went kerblamo tonight... but you didn't hear that from me. Blink

Mission Runners?

I seriously doubt you guys have extorted ISK from a mission Runner or even tried.

If you did try, the Mission Runner would probably explode with laughter.



DMC


They explode alright. Hit me in game and I'll explain how an AWOX is no laughing matter.

JEN

Did I just get challenged to a duel by a noob toon created on 11-27-2012 ?

Shocked

Oh, it's not a duel. Just a threat of having his crew AWOX me.

Wait a minute, for me to be AWOX'ed that would mean I'd have to be in the same corp. Well, I guess there's a snowball's chance in Hell of that ever happening.

Anyway JEN, I fixed your signature for you and good luck on trying to gank me.

Lol



DMC

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Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2013-02-26 02:57:18 UTC
Agent Trask wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:


This is the part I don't get. How does making life worse for the afk and semi-afk miners somehow make things better for the high sec miners? I've never gotten that leap in logic. Its probably not making them gain minerals any faster in most cases or anything like that.


By increasing the profits for miners that actively play EvE, and remain at the keyboard. Less bots and bot-aspirants mining = higher mineral prices, and more ISK for the remainder.

Talk to Jen Loo about his EvE-Uni mining fleets. If he thinks you are AFK in one of his fleets, he will have an Eve-Uni corpmate sic his drones on your barge, to see if you stop watching pron long enough to avoid asploding.


Bots get banned, so at this point they are barely a blip on the radar... I doubt the number of barges that get destroyed are even a blip on the radar, soooo I'm not really convinced. Doesn't seperate New Order from any other ganking group who just ganks to see what they can loot, or just for fun really. Sounds like the usual ****, but someone trying to justify it as some "noble cause" rather than business as usual.
Verfanny
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#74 - 2013-02-26 04:17:16 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
Agent Trask wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:


This is the part I don't get. How does making life worse for the afk and semi-afk miners somehow make things better for the high sec miners? I've never gotten that leap in logic. Its probably not making them gain minerals any faster in most cases or anything like that.


By increasing the profits for miners that actively play EvE, and remain at the keyboard. Less bots and bot-aspirants mining = higher mineral prices, and more ISK for the remainder.

Talk to Jen Loo about his EvE-Uni mining fleets. If he thinks you are AFK in one of his fleets, he will have an Eve-Uni corpmate sic his drones on your barge, to see if you stop watching pron long enough to avoid asploding.


Bots get banned, so at this point they are barely a blip on the radar... I doubt the number of barges that get destroyed are even a blip on the radar, soooo I'm not really convinced. Doesn't seperate New Order from any other ganking group who just ganks to see what they can loot, or just for fun really. Sounds like the usual ****, but someone trying to justify it as some "noble cause" rather than business as usual.


They got a charismatic leader/guru and a cult-like following. I find this part interesting as James only started his New Order in July.
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2013-02-26 04:38:28 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
Agent Trask wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:


This is the part I don't get. How does making life worse for the afk and semi-afk miners somehow make things better for the high sec miners? I've never gotten that leap in logic. Its probably not making them gain minerals any faster in most cases or anything like that.


By increasing the profits for miners that actively play EvE, and remain at the keyboard. Less bots and bot-aspirants mining = higher mineral prices, and more ISK for the remainder.

Talk to Jen Loo about his EvE-Uni mining fleets. If he thinks you are AFK in one of his fleets, he will have an Eve-Uni corpmate sic his drones on your barge, to see if you stop watching pron long enough to avoid asploding.


Bots get banned, so at this point they are barely a blip on the radar... I doubt the number of barges that get destroyed are even a blip on the radar, soooo I'm not really convinced. Doesn't seperate New Order from any other ganking group who just ganks to see what they can loot, or just for fun really. Sounds like the usual ****, but someone trying to justify it as some "noble cause" rather than business as usual.


tl;dr : "The new order isn't even a blip on the radar, which is why I've posted in a thread them about 30 times. I'm attempting to prove that they don't matter by obsessively posting about them."
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2013-02-26 04:51:08 UTC
I didn't say I didn't have some curiousity about them and I was talking in terms of mineral costs, not overall... sheesh, some people see one phrase and just run with it, don't they?

Verfanny wrote:
They got a charismatic leader/guru and a cult-like following. I find this part interesting as James only started his New Order in July.

If he posted about it on Reddit, 4chan, SA or anything like that, I'd say its less charisma and more the usual result of those sites. Mob mentality doesn't even begin to describe what goes on in those place. Similar to how Brave Newbies burst in out of nowhere. That sort of thing isn't interesting or surprising to me anymore. Never found that sort of community appealing as its generally a pretty selfish and self-serving one. I just can't find myself be convinced that this is actually about helping the game and not the result of boredom elsewhere.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#77 - 2013-02-26 06:51:38 UTC
Dyvim Slorm wrote:
If they annoy you that much you could wardec them Big smile


The bumptards have deliberately scattered themselves across a hundred different corps precisely to avoid this happening.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#78 - 2013-02-26 06:59:10 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Dyvim Slorm wrote:
If they annoy you that much you could wardec them Big smile


The bumptards have deliberately scattered themselves across a hundred different corps precisely to avoid this happening.

Get some buddies, roll some gank alts, and take down some Agents. Hell, the New Order gives you instructions for rolling a gank alt and how to fit up Cats. It won't be as easy as ganking miners, but you can play the "skill" card when you pull it off.

Or is that too tough for you?

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#79 - 2013-02-26 08:19:31 UTC
Lozif wrote:
All the new order powertriped members keeps spamming local channel in systems with ice, with "there" rules.

Can this be ok? its realy not ok with me, when they are in the system they almost block the local channel with links of there rules and they call out miners, and if they dont answer, they go on again in local and saying XXXX is bumped and bla bla bla, and next miner and the same spam all over again, and inbetween its "pay 10 mill bla bla bla"

I mean they can have rules and so, and i know CCP is ok with what they are doing, by bumping miners, and thats ok with me too, but stop the spam alrdy. for crying out loud.

I know it aint the same guy/girl every time, but its the same spam each time.


Spamming is annoying. Agreed. You should block them.

Not realizing that "spamming" General Discussion with "your" rules is just as bad as the local chat spam. But, I can't block forum posts. So, in retrospect, what you are doing is worse.

You have the tools built into the game client to remove unwanted chat and/or other pilots from stabbing your eyes. Use it.

And... Respect the EVE.

Thank you.
Skorpynekomimi
#80 - 2013-02-26 11:25:36 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
lol @ dehumanising rhetoric.

truth is it doesn't matter so much if you're paying attention or not. if you've got your eye on local, you might spot some flashy red things headed your way but by the time they hit your belt you are screwed. you'll never align in time. only way to protect against that is either by being super twitchy and aligning every time you think you're about to have a bad day, tanking your ship or (and this is my favourite) simply moving far, far away from noobs and their griefers.

I've been AFK mining for months and I haven't seen a single ganker.


That's because you've been afk for months! You won't see them if you are, y'know.

I'm still very tempted by this idea of bumping miners for the luls, though. Screw extorting them, it just looks fun.

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