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Just wondering about T2 bpo
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Clara Stewart
Stewart Collections
#1 - 2013-02-25 23:10:38 UTC
So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items?
I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.

The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!

T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.

What do you think?
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#2 - 2013-02-25 23:17:46 UTC
Clara Stewart wrote:
So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items?
I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.

The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!

T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.

What do you think?


I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4
Clara Stewart
Stewart Collections
#3 - 2013-02-25 23:24:44 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:
Clara Stewart wrote:
So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items?
I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.

The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!

T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.

What do you think?


I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4

This is not really the issue though.

Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special?

They are not.

How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-25 23:26:16 UTC
Clara Stewart wrote:
Pewty McPew wrote:
Clara Stewart wrote:
So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items?
I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.

The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!

T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.

What do you think?


I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4

This is not really the issue though.

Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special?

They are not.

How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them?


I see T2 BPO's for sale all the time. You too, can be special.

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Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#5 - 2013-02-25 23:31:08 UTC
Fine, I'll bite the troll.


You're ******* ********.
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#6 - 2013-02-25 23:31:55 UTC
Clara Stewart wrote:
Pewty McPew wrote:
Clara Stewart wrote:
So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items?
I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.

The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!

T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.

What do you think?


I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4

This is not really the issue though.

Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special?

They are not.

How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them?


They are so special as you say because they have been around since before you were a gleem in your momma's eye. At that time any player involved in invention had a "chance" of getting a T2 BPO. If you were not around back then, sorry for you, but players who were should not be penalized.

Who cares if they are sitting around being unused. If you want one so bad and can't figure out how to properly invent a T2 BPC then by all means save you pennies and buy one. There is nothing other then the ISK stopping you.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#7 - 2013-02-25 23:33:14 UTC
Poasting in T2 BPO whine thread #72799868



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Clara Stewart
Stewart Collections
#8 - 2013-02-25 23:35:40 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Clara Stewart wrote:
Pewty McPew wrote:
Clara Stewart wrote:
So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items?
I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.

The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!

T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.

What do you think?


I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4

This is not really the issue though.

Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special?

They are not.

How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them?


I see T2 BPO's for sale all the time. You too, can be special.


The problem is they have to much value as a collectors item or as a way to keep large sums of isk safe from inflation. They arent realisicly priced.

But then I go back to this point "Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts", they would be gone from the game, forever?

T2 bpo should never be finite and and exclusive, this is not how Eve works only a few rare items like tournament prize ships fit in that role, something as important as modules we all use should be available fairly to all.
Tesal
#9 - 2013-02-25 23:37:14 UTC
Clara Stewart wrote:
Pewty McPew wrote:
Clara Stewart wrote:
So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items?
I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.

The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!

T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.

What do you think?


I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4

This is not really the issue though.

Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special?

They are not.

How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them?


They should be able to keep them because they likely paid vast quantities of isk for them. In many cases they would have to use the BPO for several years before they recoup their initial investment. If T2 BPO were eliminated, that huge investment would be lost and that wouldn't be fair.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#10 - 2013-02-25 23:44:33 UTC
To put it simply:

People who own T2 BPOs are BETTER THAN YOU.

And confirming:

CCP values T2 BPO HOLDERS more than they value... you.

To the Point:

You will NEVER be accepted into the EVE ELITE without a T2 BPO.

And Finally:

You will NEVER defeat me, MUAH HA HA HA!

Now with 100% less Troll.
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#11 - 2013-02-25 23:44:49 UTC
Clara Stewart wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Clara Stewart wrote:
Pewty McPew wrote:
Clara Stewart wrote:
So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items?
I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.

The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!

T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.

What do you think?


I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4

This is not really the issue though.

Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special?

They are not.

How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them?


I see T2 BPO's for sale all the time. You too, can be special.


The problem is they have to much value as a collectors item or as a way to keep large sums of isk safe from inflation. They arent realisicly priced.

But then I go back to this point "Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts", they would be gone from the game, forever?

T2 bpo should never be finite and and exclusive, this is not how Eve works only a few rare items like tournament prize ships fit in that role, something as important as modules we all use should be available fairly to all.


So what's the value of the big stack of Gurista's ship logs I have sitting in my hanger that are no longer available worth? Should CCP just remove them because you wen't around back then to get any so it's unfair I have them?

They exist and are freely available just go out and buy one.

If everyone that had a T2 BPO unsubbed yeah I guess you would be right there would be none in the game, but who cares? That's never gonna happen.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#12 - 2013-02-25 23:54:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Clara Stewart wrote:
Pewty McPew wrote:
Clara Stewart wrote:
So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items?
I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.

The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!

T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.

What do you think?


I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4

This is not really the issue though.

Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special?

They are not.

How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them?


A few things. If the BPOs are just sitting in some hangar and not being used then what's the problem?

And secondly, there are plenty of other exclusive items in the game. From tech moons to copies of the Pax Amarria. Do you propose they all get removed or tossed into a lottery as well?

Mr Epeen Cool
Prekaz
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#13 - 2013-02-26 00:00:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Prekaz
Clara Stewart wrote:


The problem is they have to much value as a collectors item or as a way to keep large sums of isk safe from inflation. They arent realisicly priced.




Either they offer an amazing advantage, and are worth paying a premium, and are thus realistically priced, or they do not offer much of an advantage at all, and so their value is primarily as a collectors item, and are thus realistically priced.

That aside, their price, like most prices, is predicated on supply and demand. "Realistically priced" is the defacto state.
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#14 - 2013-02-26 00:00:51 UTC
T2 bpos really aren't as good as you think they are
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-02-26 00:04:33 UTC
Clara Stewart wrote:
The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!


Yes, the way they were handed out was wrong. I was playing the game at the time the T2 BPO lottery still existed, and remember the final lottery which was held (I was researching in hope of a T2 Pulse laser BPO).

Despite having some RP, I had such a small chance of getting one compared to the older players at the time due to how each RP counted as a lottery ticket, I realistically was never going to get one handed to me. Some older players had millions of RP.

CCP, being the omni-gods that they are, realised that it was incredibly unfair and corrected their mistake, helping everyone by completely stopping the lottery and moving over to the invention system.

Don't try and make out CCP haven't done anything to rectify the situation.


Also know this: Cap Charger II's used 15m ISK each (they'd probably be 20-25m after inflation in the current market) due to the BPO cartel that existed.

Invention smashed that and other cartels in one fell swoop.

Besides, as T2 BPO's currently stand, you don't want one as unless you happen to have bought one in 2005 or similar or were given one, then you'll pretty much never recoup your investment costs, plus you can make many many more items at a time by using invention gained BPC's.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-02-26 00:07:13 UTC
Clara Stewart wrote:
So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items?
I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.

The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!

T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.

What do you think?


The richest players will always have the rarest items - if they want to.

They've also invested many billions of isk to buy them in some cases. Unless they received the bpo from the lottery themselves... or bought it very early on, the likelihood of getting a return on their investment in less than a decade is slim in most cases. It just simplifies the grind of t2 bpc research.


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  • Qolde
Tesal
#17 - 2013-02-26 00:16:28 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:
So what's the value of the big stack of Gurista's ship logs I have sitting in my hanger that are no longer available worth? Should CCP just remove them because you wen't around back then to get any so it's unfair I have them?

They exist and are freely available just go out and buy one.

If everyone that had a T2 BPO unsubbed yeah I guess you would be right there would be none in the game, but who cares? That's never gonna happen.


I read my Guristas ship logs and reminisce over the red crosses I shot. What fun that was.
Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-02-26 00:20:30 UTC
Clara Stewart wrote:
So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items?
I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.

The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!

T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.

What do you think?


I think that people that were playing the game at the time and received the t2 BPOs are lucky. Its not their fault they were playing Eve before me and its not right to punish them for doing so.

If you are so butt hurt about this buy one.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#19 - 2013-02-26 00:31:42 UTC
Poasting in a not-so-stealth 'take away stuff from the goons' thread.

Actually, there wasnt anything stealth about it.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#20 - 2013-02-26 02:19:21 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
To put it simply:

People who own T2 BPOs are BETTER THAN YOU.

And confirming:

CCP values T2 BPO HOLDERS more than they value... you.

To the Point:

You will NEVER be accepted into the EVE ELITE without a T2 BPO.

And Finally:

You will NEVER defeat me, MUAH HA HA HA!


In Mother Russia, T2 BPO owns YOU?

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
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