EVE General Discussion

If you lose a few ships below you can blow up mine, reduces the chance you'll successfully blow it up in the first place, especially if you're flying ships with no real tank, they'll go down quick :p Destroyers aren't known for being tough ships. Looks like he had a good track record going too, just made a mistake.

spionkop's sole claim to fame was managing to get on several CONCORD killmails. He never managed to prevent a gank.

As for you preventing a gank by shooting gankers, what's your reaction time? Meaning, how long does it take you to notice the Catalysts shooting you, and to start locking the first one? If you're alert, I'd guess a second and a half at minimum. Generally it would be more like three seconds as a low estimate, because hardly anyone stays 100% alert for the hours and hours that they spend mining. Then you've got to lock your first Catalyst, which, depending on your ship, could take a second or two.

By that time, we aim to have your mining ship at about half EHP. If you've got high alpha, you might have nearly destroyed one of the Catalysts. Are you efficient enough to be able to lock and destroy the other five or six Catalysts before your mining ship is dead and CONCORD reaches us?

If so, then you're the kind of player that we're trying to encourage, so we have no interest in ganking you.

I would suggest that Kamio is working out quite well.

The New Order of Highsec continues to grow as a family and as a movement. We don't claim to be everywhere at once but where we are we are active and doing our bit to make Highsec better for active miners.

This is the part I don't get. How does making life worse for the afk and semi-afk miners somehow make things better for the high sec miners? I've never gotten that leap in logic. Its probably not making them gain minerals any faster in most cases or anything like that.

We stop bumping them when they pay for their permits and obey the Code.

Which CCP has found to be within the EULA. Please red the DEV sticky in Crime and Punishment.

By increasing the profits for miners that actively play EvE, and remain at the keyboard. Less bots and bot-aspirants mining = higher mineral prices, and more ISK for the remainder.

Talk to Jen Loo about his EvE-Uni mining fleets. If he thinks you are AFK in one of his fleets, he will have an Eve-Uni corpmate sic his drones on your barge, to see if you stop watching pron long enough to avoid asploding.

I think that James 315 has a worthy goal, I also think most people don't hate the message, but only the messenger. This whole New Order thing is quite interesting. Maybe if mining required more input from the player, there would be less bots.

I agree with this but within the current framework of EVE Online we do what we can to assist active miners get as much reward for the time they put into mining.

Bots are a plague to any game and need to be removed as soon as possible. CCP does a pretty good job at identifying bots and removing them but it takes time to investigate. This is where the New Order of Highsec comes in. We step up and escort bots out of mining range or destroy their ships. This way we interrupt their ISK flow and make mining a more profitable venture for active miners.

AFK miners are as bad as botters in my view. They are, basically, bots. They don't interact with anyone. They aren't even playing the game. They sit at belts, mine, ignoring everything around them and, for all intents and purposes, do not exist. They don't even react like NPCs would. AFK mining is a terrible activity and often those who wind up AFK mining quit the game out of boredom. After all, they aren't even playing the game. The New Order of Highsec identifies them as Bot Aspirants since they talk like bots, look like bots, and act like bots.

Some like to argue that they AFK mine to "support" other characters. As in, the player will be at work, and put a mining ship to "work" and mine for hours on end without playing the game. But, they still aren't actually playing the game. When you make a decision to do something like mine AFK then you should accept the consequence of that behaviour. In our case, that means the individual may be moved out of mining range and / or having their ship / pod blown up.

What constantly amazes me is the reaction that some people have when they discover that their ship was lost when they weren't playing the game. The reaction is so out of line with what happened that it is ridiculous. They weren't even playing the game but they get so aggressive and mad about losing something that they weren't playing with anyway.

Highsec shouldn't be 100% safe and with each iteration of making it safer CCP is encouraging AFK mining even more. The more people who AFK mine the greater number of people who slowly lose interest in the game - not just the AFK miners but the other players who come into a system and see 50 people there but not a single one of them reacts to them. Players quickly learn that even though the system says that there are 50 people in local the reality is that almost none of them are real.

This leads to boredom when it comes to trying to interact with others in an MMO....

I could go on but I'll stop here.

lol @ dehumanising rhetoric.

truth is it doesn't matter so much if you're paying attention or not. if you've got your eye on local, you might spot some flashy red things headed your way but by the time they hit your belt you are screwed. you'll never align in time. only way to protect against that is either by being super twitchy and aligning every time you think you're about to have a bad day, tanking your ship or (and this is my favourite) simply moving far, far away from noobs and their griefers.

I've been AFK mining for months and I haven't seen a single ganker.

You know, if you don't want to purchase your mining permit, there are other ways you can make sure you are helping to ensure code compliance. Fit up your Cat, join one of our gank fleets, and call it a very good day for everyone!