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I want to blow up Orcas
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Serial Chi
White Knights of Equestria
#1 - 2011-10-27 16:48:53 UTC
I want to blow up Orcas in high sec. I have 4 accounts and im willing to train them all to do it. Is it possible? If so, what 4 ships would be best used to accomplish this.
Pollo Rico
Pollo Hermano
#2 - 2011-10-27 17:14:56 UTC
Serial Chi wrote:
I want to blow up Orcas in high sec. I have 4 accounts and im willing to train them all to do it. Is it possible? If so, what 4 ships would be best used to accomplish this.

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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2011-10-27 17:15:50 UTC
4 is sadly not enough :(
Serial Chi
White Knights of Equestria
#4 - 2011-10-27 18:03:31 UTC
hulks and macks are small fry. everyone and their mother is doing it. i want orcas.
enterprisePSI
#5 - 2011-10-27 18:12:11 UTC
Load EFT and fit a well tanked orca. Look at HPs. Divide with best alpha.

ask in local for help .

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-10-27 18:52:14 UTC
Serial Chi wrote:
I want to blow up Orcas in high sec. I have 4 accounts and im willing to train them all to do it. Is it possible? If so, what 4 ships would be best used to accomplish this.



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SolusLunes
LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC CORPORATION
#7 - 2011-10-27 19:17:45 UTC
Helicity Boson wrote:
4 is sadly not enough :(


GTFO MY EVE HELI
Officer Nyota Uhura
#8 - 2011-10-27 21:43:08 UTC
Blow hard enough and your Orcas inflate up like balloons and they start to look like Leviathan, just fatter.
Abenham
Lone Wolves Sub.
#9 - 2011-10-28 02:06:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Abenham
This post contains a lot of EFT-ing and as such, should probably be ignored in it's entirety. Oh, and I apologise of the hard to read format. It is not deliberately bad, just drawn that way.

*Theory Crafting Hat On*

The lowest HP I can get of an Orca is 66,290 with an assortment of cargo mods and rigs (Uniform Damage Distribution).

The Concord Reponse Time in a 0.5 system is ~30 seconds.

In ~30 seconds an Max Skilled Arty Tempest can put out around 25000 damage points using Quake ammo to an optimal range of 15km*.

To the Quake damage profile - the aforementioned Orca has roughly 71000 hp.

3 Perfectly Skilled Arty Tempests could put out 75000 damage in 30 seconds.

You'd need a guy scanning Orcas to find a low HP fitting and you'd need a Hauler to pick up the loot drop.

5 Guys to pull off the operation with no room for error.

Of course this is assuming a cargo fit Orca.

To a Quake Damage Profile:

Vanilla Orca Hull (no mods/rigs) - 93000 HP - 4 Tempests
Orca with a Damage Control II fitted - 184,000 HP - 8 Tempests
DC II and a Reinforced Bulk Head II - 220,000 HP - 9 Tempests
DC II, Reinforced Bulkhead II and some other tanky stuff (mods,rigs and implants) - nearly 300,000hp - 12 Tempests

*Used a Max Alpha Tempest fit (t2 mods, ammo and drones, t1 rigs) - probably not the most cost effective setup. Also, there are other ships (like the Dominix or Hyperion for example) that would have a much higher DPS (not volley). Over 30 seconds the damage output would be far greater but the engagment range would be on hell of a lot smaller - requiring a good warp-in.

Hope this helps ?

Edit: Further Insomniac EFT-ing indicates that, within a 30 second window, you could take out a cargo optimised Orca with two max skilled Ravens spewing Inferno Rage Torps (Thermal damage - the weakest resist type fot the totally untanked Orca)
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#10 - 2011-10-28 02:24:25 UTC
Abenham wrote:
This post contains a lot of EFT-ing and as such, should probably be ignored in it's entirety. Oh, and I apologise of the hard to read format. It is not deliberately bad, just drawn that way.

*Theory Crafting Hat On*

The lowest HP I can get of an Orca is 66,290 with an assortment of cargo mods and rigs (Uniform Damage Distribution).

The Concord Reponse Time in a 0.5 system is ~30 seconds.

In ~30 seconds an Max Skilled Arty Tempest can put out around 25000 damage points using Quake ammo to an optimal range of 15km*.

To the Quake damage profile - the aforementioned Orca has roughly 71000 hp.

3 Perfectly Skilled Arty Tempests could put out 75000 damage in 30 seconds.

You'd need a guy scanning Orcas to find a low HP fitting and you'd need a Hauler to pick up the loot drop.

5 Guys to pull off the operation with no room for error.

Of course this is assuming a cargo fit Orca.

To a Quake Damage Profile:

Vanilla Orca Hull (no mods/rigs) - 93000 HP - 4 Tempests
Orca with a Damage Control II fitted - 184,000 HP - 8 Tempests
DC II and a Reinforced Bulk Head II - 220,000 HP - 9 Tempests
DC II, Reinforced Bulkhead II and some other tanky stuff (mods,rigs and implants) - nearly 300,000hp - 12 Tempests

*Used a Max Alpha Tempest fit (t2 mods, ammo and drones, t1 rigs) - probably not the most cost effective setup. Also, there are other ships (like the Dominix or Hyperion for example) that would have a much higher DPS (not volley). Over 30 seconds the damage output would be far greater but the engagment range would be on hell of a lot smaller - requiring a good warp-in.

Hope this helps ?


Half-competent Orca-pilots (even when cargo rigged, which I bet almost every Orca is) won't waste their mids. Expect 2x Invuln 1x EM 1x Therm, or buffer or hell even dc2 (especially when travelling).

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Dilligafmofo
3WAYFOUNDATIONS
New Miner's Union
#11 - 2011-10-28 05:58:40 UTC
We await the KM's. Good luck buddy
Aggressive Nutmeg
#12 - 2011-10-28 06:44:20 UTC
Serial Chi wrote:
I want to blow up Orcas in high sec. I have 4 accounts and im willing to train them all to do it. Is it possible? If so, what 4 ships would be best used to accomplish this.


Yeah, I'd love to have a crack at it myself. It can be done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taWVDEiU-2Y

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Jamaican Herbsman
I Love You Mary Jane
#13 - 2011-10-28 08:43:59 UTC
Helicity Boson wrote:
4 is sadly not enough :(


Good to see you back! I shall suicide gank someone in your honor
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#14 - 2011-10-28 12:37:05 UTC
You need 2 accounts. Join us and we'll show you how. Proof of concept from my Alliance mates in Rapalje:

Death to Orca

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Tora Oni
Legendary Sidekicks in Space
#15 - 2011-10-28 21:41:42 UTC
Oops...misread the title.... you said Orca.P
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-10-28 22:39:38 UTC
PETA does not approve of blowing up orcas

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Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Reislier
#17 - 2011-10-29 18:50:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Reislier
Solomar Espersei wrote:
You need 2 accounts. Join us and we'll show you how. Proof of concept from my Alliance mates in Rapalje:

Death to Orca

In looking at those Orca kills, I notice a range of 194,448 ehp down to.. well very little ehp.

I wonder..
Is this level of ehp typical of Orca pilots?

What about Orcas with something like.. just hypothetically now..

261,693 ehp?

What would it take to take out one like that?

Be nice. If nice not work, be civil. If civil not work, beat with iron pipe till bloody and still.
Atrum Veneficus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2011-10-29 22:53:31 UTC
Orca killing made easy:

Take your high dps battleship pilot and hang out in the recruiting channel. Play the role of a newbee who bought his new character and wants to mine!

Join a corp.

Go on their "mining op." Warp onto their orca pilot with your Hyperion.

Collect tears.

Leave corp, then join the next corp.

When your new corp asks about your old one (if they even bother to check), explain that "those guys were never on."

You should be able to rinse through about 5 or 6 corps before it gets too suspicious.

Then just sell that character, buy a new one, and repeat!