EVE General Discussion

But who paid for those rights? A reason why I'd agree with refunds..

after 7 days, even if the war is renewed?

You have to understand the environment that has been created with wardecs being disposable. The scenarios that currently play out aren't really liked by anyone, but they're products of the environment that has been created. When all of the smart players are dodging wardecs, all that's left are corps who don't know how to deal with them, or that cannot disband because they hold in-space assets. The actual targets you would want to wardec and people who could actually handle the wardec are immune, and you end up with ridiculous scenarios like your 50 man corps being afraid of 5 people. This is the real reason why you see that 70-80% figure come up, because the only real options left for highsec PVP corps are grief opportunities.

The strong's only prey is the uneducated, because the vast majority of the prey is able to hit the "I win" button. That's not a healthy ecosystem because it kills off the predators or anyone trying to show predator-like traits.

Being in a wardec may indeed not be people's preferred form of fun. But you can't have fun and do what you want all of the time, sometimes you have to work towards it. It makes the fun you have better when you know you've worked for it, and it gives you experiences you will never forget and are willing to share with your friends. Your idea of fun might even change as you become more and more experienced with other forms of gameplay.

A major problem in highsec is that profit margins are so ridiculously low that if you aren't having your preferred form of fun all of the time you are falling behind, because the market has adjusted to a wardec-free game dominated by low profit margins that only old, experienced players with lots of capital can match. This is a major reason why people don't undock and hate wars, because they fall behind and margins increase to the point where any ship loss drastically cuts into their bottom line.

Because corps aren't shells, you don't understand the concept of what a corporation is other than a tax shelter because you've been living like this and exploiting the system for so long. You have been incorrectly educated by the system. Players shouldn't have this mindset, it's something that game avoidance tends to bring on people.

Players are able to use in-game mechanics to protect themselves from these and other mechanics. That's fair. What isn't fair is being able to dodge a mechanic using exploits. Especially when that exploit breeds players who choose to become immune from consequence.

lol @ game avoidance. tell me more about how i need brainwashing educating on how to play sandbox game.

actually don't.

That's not even remotely true, even in Eve.

RvB doesn't keep people subscribed for 10 years.

That would be a problem but then the corp ceo could mearly set this known awoxer as a red and thus the problem would be solved.

But

On this note the best solution would be that wars simply follow players if they choose to leave or are kicked from corp. The war would follow for 7 days or when the war ends which ever comes sooner. This would include chars kicked from corp.

Concord are not there to protect, they are there to punish.

It will used for exactly that, if you take away all chances of avoiding it.



That's really the crux of it - high sec wardec corps (in my experience) want free ganks, not a real war. If they wanted a real war, they'd wardec Miniluv or Test - someone that can toss a hundred capable, experienced, PvP pilots onto the field at a moments notice, not 5 man corps of miners with no fixed assets. The real "problem" is that these corps feel they should be able to stop people from avoiding their wars. Let's be clear - these people don't WANT to PvP. They aren't going to "man up" and stick around to fight you in their fleets of mackinaws and hulks. They will duck the war dec as soon as they can.

However, if your real goal is to cause them economic harm, this really won't stop you from doing so. If, on the other hand, all you're after is a consequence free killboard padding gank fest - well, as someone else said, prepare to be disappointed. Try wardeccing PIRATE or The Marmites. I'm pretty sure they won't disband when the dec rolls in.

The problem with war in eve, is it has no goal.

IRL, war is usually used as a tool to:
gain/defend territory,
force religious/political change,
gain access to resources such as Oil

(or any combination of the above)

None of these are really touched upon by high-sec war decs in eve.
War decs are merely a way to pay a fee so you can attack people in high-sec without concord getting involved.
Motivation for this is usually revenge, extortion or just as a way to shoot other people that don't really want to/know how to fight back.

Put yourself in the shoes of an average miner in Eve, you enjoy the relaxing buzz of your lasers while your training queue ticks away, maybe later you'll run some level 2's to learn a little (you hope) about combat and fitting.
Now you are under war dec, you just lost your Hulk to a pair of strat cruisers, having not been in combat before, you lose your pod too.
You have 2 options,
1. You leave corp until war dec is over, there is nothing you can do to help with your mainly industrial skills anyway.
2. You log off and don't play eve for the week, hoping that the dec will not get renewed for another week.

In my experience, the majority of war dec corps seem to only engage against haulers, barges and PVE boats. The moment that anything shows up that could be an actual threat, they dock up and log off (ironicly, probably logging on an alt to go do carebear stuff in null sec to pay for more war decs with your alt)
There are exceptions out there, but sadly not enough.