EVE General Discussion

Leaving a corp to avoid a wardec is not an exploit.

Evasion is a valid tactic.

Besides, if the OP's idea was carried through, corps A,B,C,D, and E of an alliance could take turns every 6 days wardeccing some poor indy corp whose members would be locked in a perpetual state of war. That's unacceptable.

You really can't make risk-averse players become risk takers and forcing folks to do anything turns entertainment into a chore.

YK

Oh and one more quick question:



Which activities in EVE are the ones that do not affect other people's gameplay?

Yes, an arbitrary time limit is far better than the players leaving the NPC corps when they're ready.
In the local swimming pool, the floor drops out from underneath the kiddy pool after 3 months of swimming lessons. Most of them learn to swim pretty well after that.

good luck with that.


you are asking wrong person. i'm not game designer. and i'm not on the attacking end of wardecs. i'm closer to defender side of this situation.

i think wardec situation is somehow similar to suicide ganking.
- ganker and wardeccer choose targets, place and time
- targets don't choose anything. they just can make themself gankable(wardeccable) or not so interesting to gank/wardec
- CONCORD kills ganker (adds a risk which can be measured and minimized to suicide ganking), wardec target can get allies (and this is predictable too)

Suicide ganking is not so good (there is a lot of angry forum posts from victims and gankers itself). And wardecs can't be made so everyone will be happy too.

Looking around i see many of high-sec wars. So i can't agree it is completely broken.

Translation: Eve Online is a sandbox, but it is my sandbox, and unless I can restrict how others play I am heading to the forums to cry.

Here is an idea: Go wardec the largest and toughest Merc Corp out there. I doubt they will duck a fight with you.

But then, that would not be the totally one-sided fight you really are only interested in.

Its not like CCP does not know there are issues here. From the last CSM minutes:
"Solomon noted that they were looking specifically into cases where one corp wardecced another corp, and no losses occurred. Usually this means that a larger more powerful entity has wardecced a smaller entity that wants nothing to do with the conflict and therefore does everything in its power to avoid being caught or killed. Solomon wagered that this was the case in 70-80% of wars.

Solomon: The strong prey on the weak, but the weak aren’t responding, and nobody’s getting particularly fun or nourishing gameplay out of this. Is that a failure?

Alek countered that this more often happened in the reverse – a smaller, say 5-man corp, will wardec a larger 50-man entity, who will just dock up and refuse to fight. Alek pointed out this has little to do with strength or capability, but simply willingness to engage in PvP."

Remember this is a game. People play it for fun. If being in a war is not someone's idea of fun, then they will:

Drop corp for the duration. If the rules were changed so as to block them from doing so:
Stay docked up for the duration. Or if forced to undock:
Not log in that pilot for the duration.

You cannot force someone to log in. Saying "if you do not log in then your stuff is taken from your hangar and wallet" would not be fair to those with RL issues, like family emergencies and deployments.

Given that no matter what rules change is made a player can always dodge a war if they want to, I see nothing wrong with the current mechanic.

Now for one odd case: Freighter pilots in NPC corps hauling for your enemy. Say CCP changed it so anyone could be war decced at any time and could not get out of it by corp hopping, except for newer pilots still in their starter corp. Furthermore, they said you had to be in a corp to fly a freighter. What you do is:

Train a new pilot for freighter, leaving him in the safety of an NPC corp.
As soon as all he needs is the freighter skillbook, have him make a 1 man corp, train freighter, jump in and do the cargo runs. Do all that in 24 hours before any war decced on him goes live.
Do that for all 3 alts on the account. Then let it lapse and start over.

So there is a way people can do their cargo runs without war despite rather harsh rule changes trying to stop them.

There's clearly people in both CCP and the CSM who aren't totally happy with the current wardec situation. CCP allow the corp dropping "exploit" to continue for want of a better solution.
You can't force the defender to fight, but you can give him better incentives to fight. And no, "getting to undock and play Eve", is not an incentive.

it's always a problem of balance.

You can't enforce a playstyle on people, sandbox or not.

if you do, you lose subscriptions.
if you don't, well, you get some people whining about it, but in the end, they still get to pray on the weaker, so they keep on paying.

some people just suck at pvp, no matter how long they train or they practice. so whatever incentive you give them, they wont change.

"well eve is all about the sandbox and PVP!"

no it isn't. the risk is there, but if some people want to play this particular game the way they want, without interaction, without risk (by staying docked or by droping corp) it's THEIR choice.

if you remove that choice, most will just find another game.

Working as Intended then.

I agree, there's definitely merit to keeping NPC corp protection for people who want only limited interaction with others, involuntary or otherwise. But its definitely worthwhile adding more incentive to branch out. The combination of frigate buffs and FW buffs have made my finally get stuck into pvp in a meaningful way, which I wouldn't have done before.

I've not heard one good reason why this is a problem if the corp is nothing more than a shell. if they corp hop then they lose their rights on you also.