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New chapter in my trading course: 5 pages of markets mechanisms including EvE

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1 - 2013-02-25 03:00:48 UTC
After 2 days of work I have finally finished writing down an heavily illustrated resource that I believe would be very interesting for those who love to study the markets.

There you'll see various things, from exchanges features to spread, from supply and demand to a description of what candle bars are, what EvE in game chart bars are and their basic properties and much more.

There's even a section about "coin toss trading", recently "debated" in a now locked thread, including an example.

I hope you'll like it. P


Linkage.
Ethan Freeman
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-02-25 03:06:26 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
After 2 days of work I have finally finished writing down an heavily illustrated resource that I believe would be very interesting for those who love to study the markets.

There you'll see various things, from exchanges features to spread, from supply and demand to a description of what candle bars are, what EvE in game chart bars are and their basic properties and much more.

There's even a section about "coin toss trading", recently "debated" in a now locked thread, including an example.

I hope you'll like it. P


Linkage.


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Gordena Gecko
Greed Ltd.
#3 - 2013-02-25 03:28:00 UTC
Nice read!

On page 3 picture ferrofluid orders there is a minor mistake, i think it should say highest buy order, not highest sell order at the arrow pointing to the highest buyorder
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#4 - 2013-02-25 04:46:48 UTC
Thanks VV. Finally learned about those candle graphs :)

I note your explanation of how random/coin toss trading leads to loss (i.e. the market fees cause the loss, not the random nature of the trade).

Love the 2nd last graph (page 5, fear and greed). Funny, as it is true! I've been there at all those highs and lows, unfortunately more frequently as a small player :)

Any colour you like.

Emma d'Acques
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-02-25 06:49:28 UTC
Damn you VV, now my boss will complain even more about how unproductive I am Cool

I'm not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

Saveritrader
Sav Trading
#6 - 2013-02-25 10:37:17 UTC
Nice read! Really enjoyed it, and even picked up on a couple of things I didn't think about in that way before.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#7 - 2013-02-25 10:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Gordena Gecko wrote:
Nice read!

On page 3 picture ferrofluid orders there is a minor mistake, i think it should say highest buy order, not highest sell order at the arrow pointing to the highest buyorder



Thank you for your feedback, I have corrected the typo. Happens when you finish writing at 4am P (I live in GMT +1).


Samroski wrote:
Thanks VV. Finally learned about those candle graphs :)

I note your explanation of how random/coin toss trading leads to loss (i.e. the market fees cause the loss, not the random nature of the trade).

Love the 2nd last graph (page 5, fear and greed). Funny, as it is true! I've been there at all those highs and lows, unfortunately more frequently as a small player :)


The fear and greed chart is exactly the typical dynamic of price. All those "hills" I have drawn happen for real, these are the head and shoulders, the double bottoms and so on. That's why it's important to learn and see them, they tell you the context of the market and so you can understand whether you are going to buy at a best price, at a good price or right before a massive crash.

Now look at the EvE chart in the post, the one with the zoomed in bars.
The zoomed portion is a double top, a simple glance to that pin bar I zoomed and described all to the right would tell it was the time to dump your stock before the crash.
Furthermore, a two seconds glance to that double top would immediately tell you where price aimed to go.
There is no sh!t, price WILL, I underline WILL do its best to go to its target. Some times it will fail, mostly when the patterns happen against the trend (hence the old motto: "the trend is your friend") or when there is a massive support / resistance level blocking them.
Otherwise, the market at medium term is an open book. Brownian motion my ass.


About the coin toss: your observation is almost right, it misses a big factor that sadly I just *cannot* figure out how to explain in English so I did not write it.

Basically, the market acts like a collective, intelligent being, it reacts and counters mechanic approaches by using very smart profit dodging strategies against the individual market participants.
Despite everything is driven by orders, those orders are statistically subdued to a sort of natural selection. This is why the best of breed orders tend to cluster around certain important levels and this is why the market *uncannily* WILL do its best to take your order and drive it to stop loss. It's not a "brain" but the orders that collectively form a best-fit structure (I know I am probably saying some enormous crap in English, words just don't come to me. If you listen to my trading video (you are susbscribed to my Twitter channel where I post those, right? Twisted) you'll hear how BAD I know English). The best-fit structure packs orders so that they best fill the "empty price space", like bees create hexagonal cells to best use the available volume. This best fit also causes *coincidences* like "fibonacci numbers" (they happen to allow optimal fits) and also to almost always have an order placed right next to yours, that will take you down in the opposite direction.

The above blurb makes sure that despite your coin toss indeed creates a 50% buy or sell "signal", the broker fee plus the adverse statistical orders distribution will make sure your order will be taken, then you will see price performing incredible zig zags (that also happen to best fit the available price space, it's called "price discovery") to literally shake you off. This kills a lot of uninformed traders orders. In their point of view the market will appear like a sentient, evil being purposedly taking them out with a nightmarish efficiency.
It is not so, but the whole mechanic is awesome, amazing to witness in first person, and also scary as hell.

(@Trolls: notice the bolded and underlined bit).
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#8 - 2013-02-25 10:57:23 UTC
Saveritrader wrote:
Nice read! Really enjoyed it, and even picked up on a couple of things I didn't think about in that way before.


Yes, I am proud to say that some bits about the EvE charts were never posted before, in the whole 10 years of the game. Big smile
Minmat Sebtin
House of Sebtin
#9 - 2013-02-25 11:38:54 UTC
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#10 - 2013-02-25 16:52:02 UTC
Are any of the candles edible or flavored?

yes

Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
#11 - 2013-02-25 17:20:39 UTC
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Stigman Zuwadza
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-02-26 03:50:47 UTC
I can't deny it, reading stuff by VV makes my eyes glaze over, but I do try to read it. Lol

If (as a noobie) you're looking for a somewhat simple concept to adopt / try from VV's stuff its worth taking a look at the stuff around using the BRN (Big Round Number) concept. Its probably the easiest to digest initially.

I may well of misunderstood what it was all about but prior to reading about this concept I used something similar and VV's guff helped to confirm I was at least on the right track. Big smile

So, try to get past the mind boggling jargon and you'll find some gems in what he talks about.

Great job VV.

Fly safe. o7

It's broken and it's been broken for a long time and it'll be broken for some time to come.

Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-02-26 05:41:24 UTC
..Thank you VV for taking your time and knowledge and sharing it. A lot of that stuff is over my head, but very interesting read none the less.

Could you make a more in depth post on the fear and greed aspects?
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#14 - 2013-02-26 05:50:28 UTC
Syds Sinclair wrote:
Could you make a more in depth post on the fear and greed aspects?

I'm sure you say this in jest...

Any colour you like.

Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-02-26 06:14:57 UTC
..Don't really get your post. But have a nice day!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#16 - 2013-02-26 09:15:57 UTC
I really love your feedback and am open to suggestions!


I do know that I risk using gibberish jargon, that happens because once someone gets accustomed to some job, they start using such job's jargon and acronyms and then outsiders don't understand him any more.

That trading course (don't forget the other chapters!) is aimed at "newbies" so it's my best intention to make it as easy as possible.

Therefore I ask you if you could please tell me what's too difficult, which words or concepts are too hard or confusing.

Thanks in advance.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#17 - 2013-02-26 09:21:32 UTC
Stigman Zuwadza wrote:
I can't deny it, reading stuff by VV makes my eyes glaze over, but I do try to read it. Lol

If (as a noobie) you're looking for a somewhat simple concept to adopt / try from VV's stuff its worth taking a look at the stuff around using the BRN (Big Round Number) concept. Its probably the easiest to digest initially.

I may well of misunderstood what it was all about but prior to reading about this concept I used something similar and VV's guff helped to confirm I was at least on the right track. Big smile

So, try to get past the mind boggling jargon and you'll find some gems in what he talks about.

Great job VV.

Fly safe. o7


Thank you,

Yes big round numbers are easy to spot and to use and actually the top two profitable RL traders I know exclusively buy and sell at those numbers. Not all the BRNs are equally strong but they are all a good starting point.
Emma d'Acques
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-02-26 09:55:16 UTC
VV, finally got round to reading it in full.
Thanks for sharing such information with us, it's all I can say!

I'm now in the process of looking at the other stuff listed on your site, and I believe I'm in forsomething of a learning experience.

I'm not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#19 - 2013-02-26 09:59:13 UTC
Emma d'Acques wrote:
VV, finally got round to reading it in full.
Thanks for sharing such information with us, it's all I can say!

I'm now in the process of looking at the other stuff listed on your site, and I believe I'm in forsomething of a learning experience.


Thank you!

I have a whole website section still unpublished and exclusively about EvE and heavily focused on EvE trading. I hope I'll be able to complete it in a decent time frame.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#20 - 2013-02-26 23:31:19 UTC
I have been reading the course up to including this page and indeed I feel there's something missing.

There's something that makes it look like it jumps "into the thick" too fast and too hard.


Since I have read some people here who indeed noticed a difficulty at understanding the article, do you have some suggestions about what you feel it's missing?
I can't feel the missing bits because I am too "inside the trade" so I can't get exactly what's too hard, incomplete, or missing.

If you have any suggestions they'd be welcome.
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