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The solution to cloaky campers

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Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
#101 - 2013-02-25 11:37:31 UTC
retro fit a smart bomb to pulse out an very high voltage, NON damaging pulse. Thus it would be usable in empire too.
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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2013-02-25 11:43:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Omnathious Deninard
Only if it disrupts all modules.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#103 - 2013-02-25 13:18:55 UTC
Darn... disappointed by the title.

"The Solution to cloaky campers"

There is no problem so we don't need a solution!!! Wo0tage.

(would have made for a real short thread)
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#104 - 2013-02-25 15:41:08 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:
and Nikk Narrel I do agree with you that local gives out too much intel but I still think clakers should not be safe cause they just want to cloak up.

You may be surprised how many cloakers have little interest in being safe, as in just causing a stalemate situation.

The problem is, that with such absolute intel handing out information, it is not balanced to add in additional means that would enable hunting cloaked ships. To have balance, the free aspect of cloaked awareness should also be eliminated.

I point to one example explained here, which would take from both sides:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=186549&find=unread
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#105 - 2013-02-25 20:11:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Philderbeast wrote:


ahh wonderful 2 responses that didn't actually read the post...


a terrible response from someone who completely misunderstands the meaning of afk.

u said ur worried about someone who is afk still being able to interact with the game...but how is he interacting with the game? like i said in my post that u mustn't have read. all he does is sit in a chat channel, he does not interact with the game beyond that.

there is no problem. therefore no fuel requirement is needed, even if 0.1m3 lasted a million years, its a simplistic solution to a problem that is not actually a problem.

Vicata Heth wrote:
You're right guys. You should be allowed to sit in system cloaked all day with 100% safety, while not even in the same house as your computer.


just like sitting docked up, or in a POS or logged off. if u can be made vulnerable in all these situations then i agree cloaking should also be made vulnerable.

Vicata Heth wrote:
In other words: Stop wasting valuable air.


why? ur clearly not using it for anything useful while u sit docked up all day.

afk cloaking prevents enemy ratters providing isk to alliances. its a legitimate way to attack enemy supplies.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

ButterNut
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2013-02-26 00:39:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ButterNut
True Sight wrote:
simpler solution, give cloaks a fuel requirement, like heavy water, make them use 1 per cycle, allow them to store 1k units or something. boom they can't hang around AFK, at least after so long they would have to travel to get more fuel.


Shut your mouth whore.

edit: after crowd sourcing your idea It was mentioned that the word "whore" should be added to this post, we think this better conveys how dumb this post is.
Lokar Griman
The Untraceable
M A R A K U G A
#107 - 2013-02-26 13:08:45 UTC
Here is my solution remove and kill 0 sec local chat and more isk income for pve so that you can actuly earn good amont of isk in a fleet.



Why do i pve ? cause thats the source of isk income
Why to i need isk ? To actuluy do so e pvp in decent ships.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#108 - 2013-02-26 13:38:06 UTC
The solution to cloaky campers:

Stop whining and crying and living in fear and get out there! You live in nullsec, for godsakes! You look around and consider yourselves the "elite" of EVE and you consider yourselves "better" than the people in highsec...

...who you sound exactly like.
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#109 - 2013-02-26 14:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Onomerous
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
The solution to cloaky campers:

Stop whining and crying and living in fear and get out there! You live in nullsec, for godsakes! You look around and consider yourselves the "elite" of EVE and you consider yourselves "better" than the people in highsec...

...who you sound exactly like.


There it is in a simple, to the point manner.
Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#110 - 2013-02-26 20:26:50 UTC
SMORES!!!!!
Weasel Juice
Mayhem and Destruction
#111 - 2013-02-26 21:59:21 UTC
Ok.

So I gave this a great deal of thought, pondering in my little hut for years. I weighted cons against pros, drawbacks against advantages, whiskey against vodka. Let me share my final thought on it:

Keep everything as it. It's all fine.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#112 - 2013-02-26 22:23:28 UTC
Weasel Juice wrote:
Ok.

So I gave this a great deal of thought, pondering in my little hut for years. I weighted cons against pros, drawbacks against advantages, whiskey against vodka. Let me share my final thought on it:

Keep everything as it. It's all fine.

By all means, that is probably what will be the result.

But, as you can see, they keep asking for XX-Cloaks-Be-Gone-XX...
And so we keep telling them how much it costs.

...it seems they think it should be free.
Vicata Heth
Sensible People
Sigma Grindset
#113 - 2013-02-27 09:57:01 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Philderbeast wrote:


ahh wonderful 2 responses that didn't actually read the post...


a terrible response from someone who completely misunderstands the meaning of afk.

u said ur worried about someone who is afk still being able to interact with the game...but how is he interacting with the game? like i said in my post that u mustn't have read. all he does is sit in a chat channel, he does not interact with the game beyond that.

there is no problem. therefore no fuel requirement is needed, even if 0.1m3 lasted a million years, its a simplistic solution to a problem that is not actually a problem.

Vicata Heth wrote:
You're right guys. You should be allowed to sit in system cloaked all day with 100% safety, while not even in the same house as your computer.


just like sitting docked up, or in a POS or logged off. if u can be made vulnerable in all these situations then i agree cloaking should also be made vulnerable.

Vicata Heth wrote:
In other words: Stop wasting valuable air.


why? ur clearly not using it for anything useful while u sit docked up all day.

afk cloaking prevents enemy ratters providing isk to alliances. its a legitimate way to attack enemy supplies.


You can reinforce a pos. You can lock my assets in a station. What is it you can do to a cloaky camper? Oh that's right, nothing.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#114 - 2013-02-27 10:13:09 UTC
Vicata Heth wrote:


You can reinforce a pos. You can lock my assets in a station. What is it you can do to a cloaky camper? Oh that's right, nothing.
Whilst they are cloaked and camping, what can they do to you? Oh that's right, nothing.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#115 - 2013-02-27 10:47:15 UTC
Vicata Heth wrote:


You can reinforce a pos. You can lock my assets in a station. What is it you can do to a cloaky camper? Oh that's right, nothing.


POS's and stations are invulnerable save for against blobs. ur cloaky camper is not going to siege u. so while he sits cloaked and u sit in station u are BOTH untouchable.

if ur going to argue that he will call in his buddies and attack ur POS, then why on earth cant u call in ur buddies and attack the POS bashers? or bait out the cloaky? or bait out his cyno and then hot drop their hot drop?

ur problem is that ur acting alone in a group centric part of a multiplayer game. get used to being docked up or move back to hi-sec. no cloaky campers there.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Zella Polaris
Pitchfork Uprising Holdings
#116 - 2013-02-27 11:59:57 UTC
Weasel Juice wrote:
Keep everything as it. It's all fine.

Hooray for the status-quo.

Pitchfork Militia, part of Catastrophic Uprising, is recruiting. 0.0 SOV, emphasis on PvP, NBSI

Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#117 - 2013-02-27 14:09:33 UTC
Zella Polaris wrote:
Weasel Juice wrote:
Keep everything as it. It's all fine.

Hooray for the status-quo.

Sometimes the way things are is better than the alternatives.

If there's a way to scan down cloaked ships in a system, and there's a way to always know with 100% accuracy that there is someone in your system that you don't want there, then you have the ability to make nullsec systems safer than highsec systems with minimal effort.

What would the reasonable design response to that be as far as payouts go?

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#118 - 2013-02-27 15:43:59 UTC
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
Zella Polaris wrote:
Weasel Juice wrote:
Keep everything as it. It's all fine.

Hooray for the status-quo.

Sometimes the way things are is better than the alternatives.

If there's a way to scan down cloaked ships in a system, and there's a way to always know with 100% accuracy that there is someone in your system that you don't want there, then you have the ability to make nullsec systems safer than highsec systems with minimal effort.

What would the reasonable design response to that be as far as payouts go?

Imagine the sound of a toilet flushing. This will be the future of such low risk payouts.
Lokar Griman
The Untraceable
M A R A K U G A
#119 - 2013-02-28 06:00:07 UTC
Tho then again elminating 23/7 cloackin abilty would be much less nerv rakking for a pve 0sec plus and thats good for some players who run lets say 5 acconts a month that about 2.5 bil isk a month plus another mount of isk that goes for pvp ship or new pve ship to grind and that kind of isk you can't make in high unless you have lot off money in trading are lot of toons whit planetery interaction skills lvl 5 , and game does get boring if i can't make inaf isk by destroying stuff.
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#120 - 2013-02-28 16:33:36 UTC
"The solution to cloaky campers"

There is no problem so solution needed!! CCP already fixed it!! Great day for Eve players.