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Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#81 - 2013-02-25 11:29:30 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
To be fair, to be killed because of a serverside hardware issue does border on bullshit... but it is kind of the risk you take when you hit Jita rather than another trade hub.


1) He was flying a indy ship "unfitted".

2)He is in FW that means WAR is constant. He should have operated with that in mind.

3)Jita ....


The best thing is he spins this incom.... misfortune as the Minmatars put sleeper cells deep in Caldari space with the intention of crippling profit from the blood of their fallen comrade.
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#82 - 2013-02-25 12:38:04 UTC
Tyrton wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
To be fair, to be killed because of a serverside hardware issue does border on bullshit... but it is kind of the risk you take when you hit Jita rather than another trade hub.


1) He was flying a indy ship "unfitted".

2)He is in FW that means WAR is constant. He should have operated with that in mind.

3)Jita ....


The best thing is he spins this incom.... misfortune as the Minmatars put sleeper cells deep in Caldari space with the intention of crippling profit from the blood of their fallen comrade.


Plus he has prevented the Minmatar FW forces from buying all those juicy missiles to use against the Amarr and Caldari thus saving many of his comrades' lives What?
feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#83 - 2013-02-25 12:57:34 UTC
Interesting....


/goes and fits a couple of dozen suicide destroyers for Jita traffic shenanigans.

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#84 - 2013-02-25 13:18:39 UTC  |  Edited by: mechtech
Yep, you got stuck in one of thousands of edge cases that probably shouldn't exist. It's an unfortunate reality of playing in a giant sandbox. You really just have to learn to predict situations like this, look for danger in unexpected places.

Unless you truly were not aware of the fact that Jita is traffic locked every single Sunday... but I had a feeling you did but didn't connect the dots.
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#85 - 2013-02-25 14:09:27 UTC
Here is how you get around war targets camping Jita...

First get one of you other toons (one account = three toons) create a corp. Your main submits an app to new corp.... your new ceo submits an invitation. Now leave the invite open.

Next time your stuck at Jita gate with a wartarget you wait until he starts shooting at you... then accept the invite and watch you old wt get concorded.... hehe
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#86 - 2013-02-25 14:22:05 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Jita has been locked down for days, why didn't you try to go around, or just not go?


Because that involves thinking and awareness, and making people do that is unfair. Much easier to come crying to Daddy to fix it.
Rex Aparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2013-02-25 14:42:20 UTC
This situation aside, I do find it annoying when I try to go to Jita and it's full. Maybe they could have something so when you set destination to Jita, a window could pop up - "Due to high congestion, your wait time to get into ____ could be up to ___ minutes" like they do on popular stretches of road.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2013-02-25 14:43:55 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Here is how you get around war targets camping Jita...

First get one of you other toons (one account = three toons) create a corp. Your main submits an app to new corp.... your new ceo submits an invitation. Now leave the invite open.

Next time your stuck at Jita gate with a wartarget you wait until he starts shooting at you... then accept the invite and watch you old wt get concorded.... hehe


Sounds like an exploit
MEZZA Creire-Geng
Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
Seventh Sanctum.
#89 - 2013-02-25 14:48:53 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Here is how you get around war targets camping Jita...

First get one of you other toons (one account = three toons) create a corp. Your main submits an app to new corp.... your new ceo submits an invitation. Now leave the invite open.

Next time your stuck at Jita gate with a wartarget you wait until he starts shooting at you... then accept the invite and watch you old wt get concorded.... hehe


Sounds like an exploit


sounds like legitmate game mechanics
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2013-02-25 14:55:12 UTC
Tyrton wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
To be fair, to be killed because of a serverside hardware issue does border on bullshit... but it is kind of the risk you take when you hit Jita rather than another trade hub.


1) He was flying a indy ship "unfitted".

2)He is in FW that means WAR is constant. He should have operated with that in mind.

3)Jita ....


The best thing is he spins this incom.... misfortune as the Minmatars put sleeper cells deep in Caldari space with the intention of crippling profit from the blood of their fallen comrade.


All I'm going to say is that while 1) was a fit of stupidity on his part, it ultimately was irrelevant in his death. In this particular case its a seperate issue... a mistake that actually saved him ISK disturbingly enough.
Black Cadelanne
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2013-02-25 15:07:25 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
You were hauling stuff while you were at war with someone and died so you feel the need to complain about it on the forums. Roger that.


This!
Dave Stark
#92 - 2013-02-25 15:12:42 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
Tyrton wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
To be fair, to be killed because of a serverside hardware issue does border on bullshit... but it is kind of the risk you take when you hit Jita rather than another trade hub.


1) He was flying a indy ship "unfitted".

2)He is in FW that means WAR is constant. He should have operated with that in mind.

3)Jita ....


The best thing is he spins this incom.... misfortune as the Minmatars put sleeper cells deep in Caldari space with the intention of crippling profit from the blood of their fallen comrade.


All I'm going to say is that while 1) was a fit of stupidity on his part, it ultimately was irrelevant in his death. In this particular case its a seperate issue... a mistake that actually saved him ISK disturbingly enough.


2) was also irrelevant.

if the gate wasn't closed, he wouldn't have been shot at, as he'd have jumped straight through.

also, it can be argued 3) is irrelevant, because a gate is a gate. you don't expect it to be closed.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2013-02-25 15:18:19 UTC
Hard to say with 2... depends on if the wartarget was waiting for easy targets in the area or not. His align time would have been hellish on the other side.
Ares Farway
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2013-02-25 15:54:38 UTC
OP could have had 1k alts in Jita and jumped them out in order to be able to jump but he couldn't BECAUSE OF HARDWARE RESTRICTIONS!!!
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#95 - 2013-02-25 17:37:58 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Here is how you get around war targets camping Jita...

First get one of you other toons (one account = three toons) create a corp. Your main submits an app to new corp.... your new ceo submits an invitation. Now leave the invite open.

Next time your stuck at Jita gate with a wartarget you wait until he starts shooting at you... then accept the invite and watch you old wt get concorded.... hehe


Sounds like an exploit


Let someone say it officially please. My mains corp recently suffered they exact thing costing us a few billion in T3 Cruisers sploded by Conord because a WT switch corps in the middle of the fight. Still awaiting on the petition but I expect it to be working as intended like everything else.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2013-02-25 17:43:40 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Here is how you get around war targets camping Jita...

First get one of you other toons (one account = three toons) create a corp. Your main submits an app to new corp.... your new ceo submits an invitation. Now leave the invite open.

Next time your stuck at Jita gate with a wartarget you wait until he starts shooting at you... then accept the invite and watch you old wt get concorded.... hehe


Sounds like an exploit


Let someone say it officially please. My mains corp recently suffered they exact thing costing us a few billion in T3 Cruisers sploded by Conord because a WT switch corps in the middle of the fight. Still awaiting on the petition but I expect it to be working as intended like everything else.


I doubt that's a working as intended scenario... that's like the reverse of the joining a corp that has someone wardecced while they're on grid and it ends up with more painful results. I would have to seriously raise my eyebrow if that wasn't an exploit... such a strong eyebrow raise that I'd be forced to post a picture of the Rock doing his eye brow thing since mine wouldn't be good enough on its own.
Dave Stark
#97 - 2013-02-25 17:45:41 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
Hard to say with 2... depends on if the wartarget was waiting for easy targets in the area or not. His align time would have been hellish on the other side.


yeah but then he'd have been popped on the other side of the gate and it WOULD have been his stupidity.
as it stands a gate randomly being closed isn't exactly pilot error, all else aside.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#98 - 2013-02-25 17:46:39 UTC
1: Any gate in EvE can have (and in busier sytems, has had) traffic control kick in. This is a reality of properly functioning game mechanics under high load, and is something you much take into account may happen when traveling... not attempt to use as an excuse for extremely unwise choices.

2: He would have been popped on the other side of the gate even if he had been able to jump immediately.

3: There are countless reasons why just about any pilot in EvE will tell you not to fly valuable goods in a hauler, particularly if you are at war. This is only one of them.

Frankly the silver lining is that the pilot "might" have learned some common sense, and will be a better EvE pilot in the future because of it.

... but then this thread happened.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#99 - 2013-02-25 17:48:52 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
Hard to say with 2... depends on if the wartarget was waiting for easy targets in the area or not. His align time would have been hellish on the other side.


yeah but then he'd have been popped on the other side of the gate and it WOULD have been his stupidity.
as it stands a gate randomly being closed isn't exactly pilot error, all else aside.

Pilot error entered into the picture long before he arrived at the Jita gate.

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Dave Stark
#100 - 2013-02-25 17:53:26 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
Hard to say with 2... depends on if the wartarget was waiting for easy targets in the area or not. His align time would have been hellish on the other side.


yeah but then he'd have been popped on the other side of the gate and it WOULD have been his stupidity.
as it stands a gate randomly being closed isn't exactly pilot error, all else aside.

Pilot error entered into the picture long before he arrived at the Jita gate.


except that really had nothing to do with him being in the situation he was in when he got locked and shot at. that was a direct result of the gate being closed, had it not been closed, he wouldn't have been there.

i'm not denying the OP is an idiot, i'm just saying that's not why he got killed.